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Biden and McCarthy meet on debt crisis worries

- By Lisa Mascaro and Seung Min Kim

President Joe Biden and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy met face-to-face Wednesday for more than an hour of highly anticipate­d budget talks — “a good first meeting,” the new Republican leader said — but expectatio­ns were low for quick progress as GOP lawmakers push for steep cuts in a deal to prevent a national debt limit crisis.

Biden has resisted direct spending negotiatio­ns linked to vital action raising the nation’s legal debt ceiling, warning against potentiall­y throwing the economy into chaos.

McCarthy had all but invited himself to the White House to start the conversati­on before a summer debt deadline. And he emerged saying the meeting went better than expected: The two agreed to meet again, and the speaker said he expected to hear from Biden soon.

“No agreement, no promises except we will continue this conversati­on,” McCarthy told reporters outside the White House.

He said he told the president he would not raise the debt ceiling without concession­s from Democrats.

“I was very clear,” he said. “We’re not spending more next year than we spent this year.”

And Biden’s response? McCarthy said the president insisted on a “clean debt ceiling” vote without the budget cuts Republican­s are demanding.

“We both have different perspectiv­es on this, but I thought this was a good meeting,” McCarthy said.

The White House said the president and the speaker agreed to continue the conversati­on.

The House speaker arrived for the afternoon session carrying no formal GOP budget proposal, but he is laden with the promises he made to far-right and other conservati­ve Republican lawmakers during his difficult campaign to become House speaker. He vowed then to work to return federal spending to 2022 levels — an 8% reduction.

He also promised to take steps to balance the budget within the decade — an ambitious, if politicall­y unattainab­le goal.

McCarthy said he told the president, “I would like to see if we can come to an agreement long before the deadline.”

The political and economic stakes are high for both leaders, who have a cordial relationsh­ip, and for the nation as they work to prevent a debt default.

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen notified Congress last month that the government was reaching the limit of its borrowing capacity, $31 trillion, with congressio­nal approval needed to raise the ceiling to allow more debt to pay off the nation’s already accrued bills. While Yellen was able to launch “extraordin­ary measures” to cover the bills temporaril­y, that funding is to run out in June.

“Everyone is asking the same question of Speaker McCarthy: Show us your plan. Where is your plan, Republican­s?” said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., ahead of the meeting.

“For days, Speaker McCarthy has heralded this sitdown as some kind of major win in his debt ceiling talks,” Schumer said. But he added, “Speaker McCarthy showing up at the White House without a plan is like sitting down at the table without cards in your hand.”

Raising the debt ceiling is a once-routine vote in Congress that has taken on oversized significan­ce over the past decade as the nation’s debt toll mounts. Newly empowered in the majority, House Republican­s want to force Biden and Senate Democrats into budget cuts as part of a deal to raise the limit.

Ahead of the White House meeting, House Republican­s met in private to discuss policies. And McCarthy met with Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell on Tuesday at the Capitol.

McConnell has a history of dealmaking with Biden during the last debt ceiling showdown a decade ago. But the GOP leader of the Senate, in the minority party, says it’s up to McCarthy and the president to come up with a deal that would be acceptable to the new House majority.

Still, McConnell is doing his part to influence the process from afar, and nudging Biden to negotiate.

“The president of the United States does not get to walk away from the table,” McConnell said in Senate remarks.

Slashing the federal budget is often easier said than done, as past budget deals have shown.

After a 2011 debt ceiling standoff during the Obama era, Republican­s and Democrats agreed to acrossthe-board federal budget caps on domestic and defense spending that were supposed to be in place for 10 years but ultimately proved too much to bear.

After initial cuts, both parties agreed in subsequent years to alter the budget caps to protect priority programs. The caps recently expired anyway, and last year Congress agreed to a $1.7 trillion federal spending bill that sparked new outrage among fiscal hawks.

McCarthy reiterated that he would not be proposing any reductions to the Social Security and Medicare programs that are primarily for older Americans. But other Republican­s want cuts to those as part of overall belt-tightening.

Such mainstay programs, along with the Medicaid health care system, make up the bulk of federal spending and are politicall­y difficult to cut, particular­ly with a growing population of those in need of services in congressio­nal districts nationwide.

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