The Morning Call (Sunday)

Making time for organizati­on

These 6 podcasts can be a handsfree way to stay entertaine­d as you get other things done

- By Emma Dibdin

Even if the academic year has no bearing on your life, fall still feels like a time for getting organized. As darkness descends progressiv­ely earlier, you feel the urge to spend more time at home, and notice all the piles of clutter you’ve been neglecting. And the impending holiday season has a way of heightenin­g whatever you’re already stressed about, be it chores, finances or work-life balance. Any podcast can be a productivi­ty aid in the sense that it’s a hands-free way to stay entertaine­d as you get other things done. But these six shows are all geared toward helping you to get more done, feel less overwhelme­d and reframe the drudgery of housework.

‘Ask a Clean Person’

Whether cleaning is your most dreaded chore or one you relish, you’re bound to learn something from advice columnist Jolie Kerr. Over the course of almost 200 episodes, Kerr has covered just about every specific how-to question you can imagine, whether it’s about deep-cleaning your bathroom, tidying up after a party or tackling “the worst stain in the world” (spoiler: it’s turmeric). The show now seems to be on a permanent hiatus, but the archive is packed with clear advice and some takes that may surprise you — for instance, that dry cleaning is often not necessary, or that Swiffers are essentiall­y worthless. Featuring interviews with guests who discuss their personal cleaning tips and pet peeves, “Ask a Clean Person” is surprising­ly bingeable, and Kerr’s infectious enthusiasm leaves you feeling genuinely excited about your next deep clean.

Starter episode: “Do Not Dry Clean!”

‘Best Laid Plans’

Planning your time can be a key part of getting organized, but it can also easily become another way of procrastin­ating. You download a productivi­ty app, spend hours developing an airtight new life management system … and then abandon it after a few days. “Best Laid Plans” is all about the psychology of planning and how to develop a system that works for your brain. Sarah Hart-Unger, a self-professed “obsessive listmaker and life-planner,” had been blogging about productivi­ty and parenthood for more than 10 years before she began the podcast in 2020. She’s a warm and appealing host, offering both encouragem­ent and tips for listeners trying to get their lives in order.

Starter episode: “How Sarah Organizes Her Life”

‘The Minimalist­s’

Minimalism has snowballed over the past few years, spurred by figures including tidying guru Marie Kondo and two Ohio natives known as the Minimalist­s. Joshua Fields Millburn and Ryan Nicodemus, longtime friends, have built the Minimalist­s brand with books, a Netflix documentar­y and this long-running podcast, and their affable, nondogmati­c approach is hugely appealing. Both were formerly in the sales world, so their anti-capitalist mindset is backed up by specific insights into scarcity marketing and other sly tactics that make us all want to buy more stuff. Beyond minimalism and declutteri­ng, Millburn and Nicodemus also explore the factors that can drive consumptio­n, like loneliness, trauma and addiction.

Starter episode: “The Minimalist Checklist”

‘By the Book’

Walk into the self-help section of any bookstore and you’ll be confronted by titles by gurus of every stripe, promising to help you overhaul your life. The selection is so overwhelmi­ng that even if you’re in the market for radical transforma­tion, it’s hard to identify which books have actual wisdom to offer. Enter Jolenta Greenberg and Kristen Meinzer, who live by the rules of a different self-help tome in each episode of their podcast, sharing their realtime experience­s and their takeaway lessons from books including classics like “Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus” and “The Secret.” Billed as part self-help show and part social experiment,

“By the Book” applies a critical but never mean-spirited lens to the books in question, and Greenberg and Meinzer are so committed to their task that even the duds provoke interestin­g conversati­on.

Starter episode: “The Five Love Languages”

‘Radio 1’s Life Hacks’

There’s no shortage of podcasts out there offering life hacks — tidbits of wisdom that can help you navigate daily life more smoothly and efficientl­y — but this BBC Radio version is more insightful and rigorous than many of its competitor­s. The show focuses not just on self-care and self-improvemen­t but on how those things play into creating a better world. The hosts, Vick Hope and

Katie Thistleton, take an empathetic and earnest approach to subjects like environmen­tal justice, mental illness and disability, and it offers wisdom and perspectiv­e that will resonate at any age. “Life Hacks” officially wrapped up its run in the fall of 2020, but it has since returned for a few follow-up miniseries offering career advice for the post-COVID-19 era and tips on how to make your life more eco-friendly.

Starter episode: “Grief With Katy Winship and Charlotte Henly”

‘A Slob Comes Clean’

As the show’s title suggests, Dana K. White is brutally honest about her own history of disorganiz­ation and her understand­ing of what it’s like to feel “completely overwhelme­d” at home. After more than 10 years of “de-slobificat­ion” (she says it’s never-ending), White shares the cleaning, organizing and declutteri­ng strategies that helped her conquer the mess while also delving into the mindset changes behind it all. Although most episodes are centered on tips and Q&As, some have White interviewi­ng guests who offer a different perspectiv­e on organizati­on, like her recent conversati­on with a “cleanout expert” whose job is to restore order to the homes of hoarders.

Starter episode: “Getting Past the Tough Spots”

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