Gi­u­liani says he can get the best out of Trump

De­fends ‘one of the smartest guys’

The Washington Times Weekly - - Politics - BY ROWAN SCAR­BOR­OUGH

Rudolph W. Gi­u­liani says he can get the best out of Don­ald Trump as he vig­or­ously de­fends him and lashes out at his en­e­mies, al­low­ing the pres­i­dent to fo­cus on land­mark achieve­ments.

“I think the value that I bring to this is I un­der­stand him in a way that few other peo­ple do,” Mr. Gi­u­liani, the pres­i­dent’s at­tor­ney and spokesman, said in an in­ter­view with The Washington Times.

“I also un­der­stand how to use him cor­rectly,” he said. “This is one of the smartest guys you’re go­ing to meet. And a lot of peo­ple un­der­es­ti­mate that. They don’t get the best out of him. I thought I did dur­ing the cam­paign. I did a lot of the de­bate preparation with [for­mer New Jer­sey Gov. Chris] Christie. And the two of us to­gether got the best out of him.”

Mr. Gi­u­liani and Pres­i­dent Trump are re­united in a new cam­paign. This time, it’s Mr. Trump ver­sus spe­cial coun­sel Robert Mueller, his shop of mostly Demo­cratic pros­e­cu­tors, a ra­pa­cious lib­eral press and the other po­lit­i­cal party, some of whom want im­peach­ment.

Mr. Trump’s le­gal team went through a spring shake-up with the de­par­tures of ca­reer crim­i­nal de­fense lawyers John Dowd and Ty Cobb.

The pres­i­dent turned to an al­lied New Yorker who has been a fed­eral prose­cu­tor and a big-city mayor who is ca­pa­ble of quot­ing law and un­leash­ing po­lit­i­cal as­saults.

Mr. Gi­u­liani sees him­self as the perfect ar­rival, giv­ing the pres­i­dent a trusted friend in a White House that un­der­goes con­stant turnover. Old cam­paign com­rades have left; those who re­main can­not talk Trump-Russia with the pres­i­dent since Mr. Mueller is in­ter­view­ing every­one.

John McEn­tee, an aide con­stantly at Mr. Trump’s side, was the lat­est to leave abruptly in March. Be­fore that, Hope Hicks, his White House communications direc­tor and for­merly Trump Or­ga­ni­za­tion ex­ec­u­tive, re­signed af­ter tes­ti­fy­ing be­fore the House Per­ma­nent Se­lect Com­mit­tee on In­tel­li­gence.

“The peo­ple around him, a lot of th­ese peo­ple are gone,” Mr. Gi­u­liani said. “They knew what they were do­ing. And some of the peo­ple he knows, such as [Trump son-in-law] Jared [Kush­ner], re­ally can’t com­mu­ni­cate with him. Or Don, his son, be­cause they can’t com­mu­ni­cate about this. They can talk about pub­lic pol­icy.”

Mr. Gi­u­liani’s task? “To me, this is like pub­lic ser­vice. This will free him up even more to ac­com­plish re­mark­able things with Korea, China, Iran, which I’m re­ally very in­ter­ested in.”

Asked how he likes work­ing for the real estate mogul turned anti-es­tab­lish­ment, Amer­ica-first pres­i­dent, Mr. Gi­u­liani said, “I did it dur­ing the cam­paign and loved it. For many years, he’s been my best friend or close to my best friend. I un­der­stand him.”

Early on, Mr. Gi­u­liani ap­peared as a fiery Trump de­fender on Fox News’ “Han­nity.”

He showed that he will not be con­fined to ar­cane le­gal de­bates. He rou­tinely crit­i­cizes Mr. Mueller’s hir­ing of Demo­cratic Party donors. He par­tic­u­larly goes af­ter fired FBI Direc­tor James B. Comey, who he be­lieves is the pres­i­dent’s main threat.

Mr. Comey wrote con­tem­po­ra­ne­ous memos on his meet­ings with Mr. Trump and leaked them to The New York Times with a con­fessed pur­pose of prompt­ing a spe­cial prose­cu­tor in­ves­ti­ga­tion. He wrote that Mr. Trump asked him to end an in­ves­ti­ga­tion into for­mer Na­tional Se­cu­rity Ad­viser Michael Flynn. Mr. Trump de­nies this.

“He’s not go­ing to be worth any­thing as a wit­ness,” Mr. Gi­u­liani said of Mr. Comey, who is on a book tour for his mem­oir, “A Higher Loy­alty.”

Mr. Gi­u­liani knows the FBI from the in­side. While U.S. at­tor­ney for the South­ern District of New York — read Man­hat­tan — he launched all-out war against the mob and crooked Wall Street in the 1980s. The FBI pro­vided the sur­veil­lance tech­ni­cians and foot sol­diers to pen­e­trate and in­crim­i­nate Mafia crime fam­i­lies.

In Fe­bru­ary 1985, he pro­cured in­dict­ments against the lead­ers of New York City’s five mob bosses.

“It was the most dra­matic move yet in a state and fed­eral war on the mob that, since Au­gust 1983, has re­sulted in in­dict­ments of more than 300 al­leged New York Mafia mem­bers and as­so­ci­ates,” said The Washington Post.

Said Mr. Gi­u­liani, the fed­eral prose­cu­tor: “This is a bad day, prob­a­bly the worst ever, for the Mafia.”

The in­dict­ments and fol­low-up con­vic­tions sent the Gen­ovese, Gam­bino, Luc­ch­ese, Colombo and Bo­nanno or­ga­nized crime fam­i­lies into per­ma­nent de­cline.

To­day, Mr. Gi­u­liani doesn’t like what he sees at the Jus­tice Depart­ment. He crit­i­cizes as ill-serv­ing the pres­i­dent: At­tor­ney Gen­eral Jeff Ses­sions, who re­cused him­self from the Russia in­ves­ti­ga­tion; Deputy At­tor­ney Gen­eral Rod Rosen­stein, who took the man­tle and ap­pointed Mr. Mueller; and FBI Direc­tor Christo­pher A. Wray.

He said he lets the pres­i­dent know how he feels.

“The pres­i­dent hasn’t had much luck with Wray and Ses­sions and Rosen­stein,” he told The Times. “They seem to be in­tent on either in­ves­ti­gat­ing him or sit­ting by or res­cu­ing them­selves. And then when they get some real eth­i­cal and crim­i­nal be­hav­ior, they go hid­ing. I don’t get it. I ac­tu­ally don’t get it. I try to ex­plain that to him.”

Jus­tice Depart­ment In­spec­tor Gen­eral Michael E. Horowitz is in­ves­ti­gat­ing the FBI’s use of a par­ti­san op­po­si­tion re­search pa­per com­piled by for­mer Bri­tish in­tel­li­gence of­fi­cer Christo­pher Steele. The Steele dossier was funded by the Demo­cratic Na­tional Com­mit­tee and the Hil­lary Clin­ton cam­paign.

Un­der Mr. Comey’s lead­er­ship, the FBI made great use of Mr. Steele’s dis­cred­ited charges and ob­tained at least one wire­tap on a Trump ad­viser based on the dossier. Agents also em­braced the doc­u­ment as a guide to in­ter­view­ing wit­nesses.

Mr. Comey told ABC News that he viewed Mr. Steele as cred­i­ble.

“That means we should try and repli­cate that work to see if we can de­velop the same sources,” the for­mer FBI chief said.

On the dossier’s use, Mr. Gi­u­liani told The Times: “I think it’s scandalous. Ab­so­lutely scandalous. It’s not the FBI. It’s Comey. I con­sider Comey to have pretty much proven to be the worst direc­tor of the FBI in history.”


Rudolph W. Gi­u­liani is a for­mer fed­eral prose­cu­tor and big-city mayor who is skilled in law and pol­i­tics.

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