Howard Stern: More talk than shock

New book reveals a more subdued side.

Howard Stern is revealing why he has altered his shock-jock persona.

It has been more than two decades since his last book, “Miss America,” a USA TODAY best-seller. “Howard Stern Comes Again” (out now) is a compilation of interviews over the years with famous guests. It also reveals, for the first time, a health scare. In 2017, Stern had surgery to remove a cyst on his kidney thought likely to be cancerous. It turned out to be benign.

The book also delves into regrets from interviews past with such stars as Gilda Radner, George Michael and Will Ferrell.

Stern, 65, tells USA TODAY some of the changes to his persona stemmed from switching from terrestrial radio to SiriusXM in 2006 and psychotherapy, which he entered in the late ’90s.

Stern says part of being “a good interviewer” means “you have to be willing to let somebody else shine and you have to be willing to give them the spotlight, and that wasn’t so easy for me.”

He says he felt listened to by his psychotherapist “in a way that I’ve never been listened to before,” describing his day job as “a performance.”

“This was a real conversation that felt like being fed,” he says. “It was so nourishing that I thought, ‘Well, not only is this good, but maybe I gotta rethink my whole approach. It might be really nice to let other people be heard and take a step back.’ ”

His health scare also influenced his decision to write “Comes Again.”

“I freaked out, and so it did cause me to reflect on what it is I was most proud of in my career, what is it I might want,” he says, predicting those who aren’t fans might still enjoy the book.

In it, Stern identifies an early-’90s interview with Robin Williams as “possibly my biggest regret.” Stern writes that he was trying to get the “Mrs. Doubtfire” star’s phone number to apologize when he died by suicide in 2014.

The host tells USA TODAY he didn’t have his apology fully mapped out but had an idea of how it would go.

“I would say to him, ‘I’m sorry, because I am such a huge fan, and you didn’t even know that,’ ” Stern says, “‘and I didn’t allow myself to be a fan of yours, and I didn’t allow you to have the microphone and entertain my audience, and I learned nothing about you in the interview I did.

“‘I was just an attacking maniac, and I want to tell you it is one of the biggest regrets of my life because I hold you near and dear to my heart. But I was in such a bad place I couldn’t allow myself to be a fan of somebody . ... I had no business conducting an interview with you like that.’ ”

From an interview that didn’t go as desired to an interview that didn’t happen at all: Stern writes about an unsuccessful quest to have Hillary Clinton on the show, his pick for the 2016 election.

“I began to think that Hillary Clinton wasn’t connecting the way Donald Trump was with his audience,” Stern says, describing Trump as “a good communicator.”

“He knows how to turn on an audience. You might not like him, but he knows how to speak, and I felt Trump was in a very strong position, and I happen to be a Hillary Clinton supporter, and I was like, ‘I’d like to give her an opportunity to do something a little bit out of her comfort zone but assure her that my intentions were good.’ ”

Stern says he wrote that part of the book “with a lot of heartbreak.”

“She’s the one that got away, and I’m not gonna tell you that she would’ve won the election, but if you think about it, we’re on across the country. Maybe, maybe it would’ve helped,” he says.

Snippets of Trump’s appearances on Stern’s show are scattered throughout the book, though the radio personality declined to replay their interviews in October 2016, a choice he stands by today.

“In my mind it was sort of weird that he had come on the show to – he wasn’t a politician at the time – but he’d come on the show and in the spirit of fun and kind of letting his hair down. A lot of his comments were taken out of context.”

While Stern says Trump would be asked to return to his program, he predicts the president would turn down the opportunity. Stern declined an invitation to endorse Trump at the Republican National Convention, and he says he hasn’t heard from Trump since.

“Donald was a great guest on our show, and I’ll always say he was one of the best, because anyone who’s honest and candid is interesting,” Stern says, adding Trump would “call me quite often from the campaign.”

“I had to tell him no, and it wasn’t an easy thing to do,” Stern says, “because I, listen, I think as a human being he was hurt, but I was honest with him.”

Stern feels his book is “a really good commentary” on culture. It also includes a 2014 interview with film producer Harvey Weinstein, who has since been accused of sexual harassment and assault and in 2018 was charged with rape and other crimes. Thinking of Weinstein’s accusers, the decision to include him caused Stern to lose sleep.

“I kept going back and forth like, ‘Oh, well maybe I shouldn’t put him in, maybe it’s irrelevant to put that in,’ ” Stern says, “and then I saw the relevancy in it and I put it in.”

During their conversation, Stern asked Weinstein if he ever tried to abuse his power or hook up with actresses. Weinstein denied he ever did.

“I found it to be quite profound that, for some reason, I asked Harvey about the casting couch and then there he is – talk about hypocrisy – saying all of the right things,” Stern says, “which means he knows what’s right and wrong. He’s telling you there’s no place for that in Hollywood.”

“I had so many good interviews, there’s so much good material,” he adds, “but ultimately it was the hypocrisy, the idea that somebody knows all the right things to say and still is living a different life behind the scenes.”