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UI­fya ZAFFICO nomba. Filya fine bashitishe ZNBC nabashitisha ZAFFICO nom­ba­line tule­landa naba shi­tisha ZAFFICO kuma Chi­nese. Twakana muk­wai, we are go­ing to re­verse those de­ci­sions when we come in - HH on ra­dio

PND pres­i­dent Hakainde Hichilema yes­ter­day hob­bled and mum­bled when put on the spot to jus­tify his claims that Govern­ment has sold the Zam­bia Forestry and For­est In­dus­tries Cor­po­ra­tion (ZAFFICO) to a Chi­nese firm. On Fri­day last week, Mr. Hichilema told Sun FM that ZAFFICO had been sold to a Chi­nese com­pany while Govern­ment was dis­guis­ing that the cor­po­ra­tion was only be­ing listed on the Lusaka Stock Ex­change (LuSE). But when pressed yes­ter­day dur­ing the Hot FM pro­gramme to sub­stan­ti­ate his claim by pro­vid­ing ev­i­dence that ZAFFICO had in­deed been sold to a Chi­nese com­pany, Mr. Hichilema skirted around the topic but in­stead in­sisted he did not in­cite the ri­ots on the Cop­per­belt over the mat­ter. Hot FM played an ex­cerpt from FM in­ter­view (HH speak­ing in Bemba) as re­pro­duced here and based their ques­tion­ing on this. Ifya ZAFFICO nomba. Fiya fine bashitishe ZNBC nabashitisha ZAFFICO nom­ba­line tule­landa naba shi­tisha ZAFFICO kuma Chi­nese. Twakana muk­wai, we are go­ing to re­verse those de­ci­sions when we come in. Hope: And yes­ter­day on the show we did speak to the Cop­per­belt Prov­ince Min­is­ter Japhen Mwakalombe who stated that you went on an in­ter­view, should have been Sky Fm which he men­tioned and you did state on that in­ter­view that ZAFFICO has been sold and in a way that led to the ri­ots that took place on the Cop­per­belt so what we do have, we played the tape ear­lier on and af­ter lis­ten­ing to that in­ter­view, you did clearly state that ZAFFICO has been sold to the Chi­nese. What is your take on that? HH: I did not in­cite any­body to riot. It is very clear. My po­si­tion is that I in­cited no­body to riot. What is true is that cit­i­zens are aware of what is go­ing on around the coun­try. They are aware of the ZNBC sit­u­a­tion. You know that Me­dia houses now are be­ing asked to pay huge amounts those who are on Top­star in or­der to cover the ZNBC loan which they ob­tained from Star Times re­lated to dig­i­tal mi­gra­tion. It is com­mon knowl­edge what is go­ing on in the coun­try. Hakainde does not in­cite any­body. I don’t in­cite any­body. Hope: So where did you get the ev­i­dence that Zaffico has been sold? Be­cause govern­ment is stat­ing that it has not been sold, they ex­plain what their in­ten­tions are but you went state on that in­ter­view that it has been sold to the Chi­nese HH: I did not in­cite any­body. You prob­a­bly mis­lead­ing your­self. Even you as a jour­nal­ist. I did not in­cite any­body at all. Hope: But then again, we just want to find out the ev­i­dence that you have be­cause you went on as a leader to state that said it has been sold to the Chi­nese na­tion­als. HH: I did not in­cite any­body at all. Zam­bians are aware of what is go­ing on in the coun­try. They are aware of the ZNBC sit­u­a­tion, they are aware of the NRDC sit­u­a­tion, they are aware of ba­si­cally the Road con­tracts where a road like Lusaka – Ndola is sup­posed to cost no more than $500 mil­lion is cost­ing $1.2 bil­lion. The cit­i­zens are aware that there is a prob­lem in the coun­try. No­body has to in­cite the cit­i­zens. What we need to do, what we need to do.. Hope: Now Mr Hichilema sorry, not to cut you short, but if you could just stick to the ZAFFICO is­sue now. HH: What we need to do is to find so­lu­tions in the coun­try, and we must all share views on how to solve prob­lems in the coun­try. Blam­ing Hakainde for de­layed rains, for the fall of the Kwacha against the dol­lar, blam­ing Hakainde for Uni­ver­sity stu­dents sit­u­a­tion, blam­ing Hakainde for ev­ery­thing is not the so­lu­tion to the prob­lem, we must find so­lu­tion. HOPE: Mr.Hichilema we are try­ing to get some­thing out of you here, you did state on that in­ter­view that ZAFFICO has been sold to Chi­nese na­tion­als, so we would love to find out from you, you are a leader with a huge fol­low­ing where you got the in­for­ma­tion that ZAFFICO has been sold and the facts that you have with re­gard to that? HH Well you had Mwakalombe on that ra­dio yes­ter­day and he said I was in­cit­ing peo­ple and I am say­ing I did not in­cite peo­ple, HOPE … in as much as you did not in­cite the ri­ots we hear you there, but we just want to find out from you where you got that in­for­ma­tion and just where you’re get­ting the facts? Be­cause you are a leader and you do know peo­ple re­act dif­fer­ently to such in­for­ma­tion and that is the rea­son why they started ri­ot­ing. You did go on that in­ter­view and state that ZAFFICO ….but we have the clip we have lis­tened to the clip where you are stat­ing that ZAFFICO has been sold to Chi­nese na­tion­als and by say­ing so we do be­lieve you are a leader and you do have your facts right and that’s what we want to get out of you. HH Well why don’t you talk less, you have put me on ra­dio so that I can an­swer your ques­tion, HOPE But you haven’t an­swered the ques­tion that’s why I keep go­ing back to it Then it means you have a pre-de­ter­mined po­si­tion and it will not help. The point I’m mak­ing is that I did not in­cite any­body HOPE And we have heard you there. HH If you check the so­cial me­dia, first and fore­most, not that that is the rea­son right, if you check the so­cial me­dia be­fore I went on Sun Fm there were al­ready is­sues in ZAFFICO there, you should check your facts, and this is why we need an in­tel­li­gence sys­tem that is op­er­a­tional , that is be­ing used, which the state must use the in­tel­li­gence sys­tem prop­erly, there were is­sues in Zaffico al­ready, be­fore I went on Sun Fm just check your record. So you cant say that I in­cited peo­ple about ZAFFICO, I did not in­cite peo­ple HOPE NO NO WE HAVE NOT told you that you in­cited any­one and I only had one ques­tion for you which you have not re­sponded to HH Well look, be­cause you keep on rant­ing there, you want to say what you want to say. You want to im­pose views on me. I am say­ing to you, be­fore you asked me the ques­tion, you put me on the pro­gramme, I was lis­ten­ing, when you were say­ing that lead­ers and peo­ple like oth­ers must not say things that in­cite … which is very true. But then again as we wrap up you did state on that in­ter­view, you did state HH Why did you em­pha­sise on in­cit­ing in­stead of shar­ing the ba­sic in­for­ma­tion and ask­ing the ba­sic ques­tion. You are run­ning a pro­gramme there and you are in­sist­ing on in­cit­ing? HOPE We called you for the sake of bal­anc­ing up our pro­gramme, we did hear from Cop­per­belt Prov­ince Min­is­ter Japhet Mwakalombe who stated that you went on an in­ter­view stat­ing that ZAFFICO has been sold, we lis­tened to the in­ter­view and the in­ter­view is very clear with you stat­ing that ZAFFICO had been sold to Chi­nese na­tion­als, and be­cause we re­spect you as a leader we de­cided to call so that you can clar­ify that and give us the in­for­ma­tion that you have with re­gards to the sale of ZAFFICO to Chi­nese Na­tion­als. HH The point I’m mak­ing, I Heard your ques­tion loud and clear, the point I’m mak­ing to you is that no­body needs to in­cite any­body. Your em­pha­sis of the pro­gramme, I have been lis­ten­ing to the pro­gramme, Im lis­ten­ing to you, be­fore you even called me I was lis­ten­ing, and you kept on run­ning a com­men­tary to your­selves, ar­tic­u­lat­ing the in­cit­ing, as though it is true I in­cited, that’s why I am em­phatic that I did not in­cite any­body. Cit­i­zens know what is go­ing on in their coun­try, they don’t need you or any­one to in­cite any­body. Ev­ery­body knows what is go­ing on in the coun­try, and you can­not now em­pha­sise as a ra­dio sta­tion, run a pro­gramme where you’re in­sist­ing that lead­ers should stop in­cit­ing. I’m not in­cit­ing any­body. Look the rains are late …… Mr. Hichilema you have not re­sponded to … I only had one ques­tion for you and you still have not re­sponded. Oth­er­wise in wrap­ping up is there any­thing else that you would love to add on? Well please do not run sto­ries that you hear from one an­gle. It is im­por­tant we also do re­search around the coun­try HOPE And that is the rea­son why we called you so that we get your an­gle but you have not re­sponded HH Can we have a con­ver­sa­tion ha ha ha ….. you are run­ning a ra­dio pro­gramme, lis­ten­ers are lis­ten­ing they want to hear from oth­ers as well. Ev­ery­thing goes wrong in this coun­try, ev­ery PF leader picks up the mes­sage that HH is in­cit­ing cit­i­zens, HH is to blame on this. This is not the cor­rect way of run­ning the coun­try. You can’t keep on blam­ing some­one for things they have no power over. I have no power over in­cit­ing any­one to riot at ZAFFICO. Those is­sues were as they …… HOPE In wrap­ping up so why did you state in that ra­dio in­ter­view that ZAFFICO had been sold to Chi­nese na­tion­als Madam, madam carry your opin­ion, you seem to be It is not my opin­ion it is a state­ment that you went on to say and we do be­lieve that as a leader when you say ZAFFICO has been sold to Chi­nese na­tion­als you do have your facts right. If you want to lis­ten to me I’m giv­ing you my opin­ion, I did not in­cite any­body as Mwakalombe put it there and that shouldn’t be the fac­tor of dis­cus­sion , you should not in­ter­ro­gate me on that mat­ter you should hear my opin­ion and then take it or leave it. Mr Hichilema thank you so much your time. Please carry a pos­i­tive at­ti­tude rather than a neg­a­tive at­ti­tude.

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