NAY­LOR MADE

Red Dwarf cre­ator Doug Nay­lor and pro­ducer Richard Nay­lor talk XII

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this may be a whole new se­ries but that doesn’t mean you should ex­pect Red Dwarf XII to take a rad­i­cal new di­rec­tion from last year’s XI – per­haps not sur­pris­ing see­ing as the two six-episode runs were filmed back-to-back. “a new pro­duc­tion de­signer and art de­part­ment was the big­gest change for se­ries XII,” says pro­ducer richard nay­lor. “there’s an added level of de­tail to the sets, and they had some new ideas about giv­ing star­bug a lived-in el­e­ment that may have been miss­ing from se­ries XI. Kry­ten’s cos­tume also got a slight lit­tle up­date.

“i saw some of the au­di­ences com­ment that they felt th­ese are slightly heav­ier sci­ence fic­tion episodes,” he adds, “a bit more out there. But it wasn’t de­lib­er­ate. it’s just the way it worked out.”

fol­low­ing on from Kevin el­don turn­ing up as a sim­u­lant last year, Red Dwarf XII rolls out more fa­mil­iar guest stars from the world of tv com­edy, with Johnny ve­gas and The In­be­tween­ers’ James Buck­ley tak­ing a trip three mil­lion years into the fu­ture. there’s also a

re­turn for orig­i­nal cast mem­ber norman Lovett as Holly.

“the re­ac­tion to all of the shows was very good,” re­calls co-cre­ator/ writer/di­rec­tor doug nay­lor, “but [when norman ap­peared] we had to shorten… it wasn’t a laugh. it was ac­tu­ally a sort of mad noise [from the au­di­ence] that lasted about 25 sec­onds which we’ve now cut down to about three!”

al­though the ship’s ec­cen­tric com­puter has been brought out of re­tire­ment, doug is wary of tak­ing too many trips down mem­ory lane. “Ob­vi­ously we could bring back duane dib­b­ley and ace rim­mer, and poly­morphs left, right and cen­tre, and to a cer­tain ex­tent it would work,” he says. “But on the other hand, i don’t think there’s any point do­ing Red Dwarf un­less you feel that you’re do­ing some­thing you haven’t done. if the core of the idea is just a re­tread then i don’t think it’s go­ing to work very suc­cess­fully.”

we’re now in the po­si­tion of hav­ing seen more new episodes in the last five years than we saw in the 15 be­fore that, so pos­si­bly the big­gest ques­tion fac­ing Red Dwarf is whether we’ll see more af­ter se­ries XII has aired. “craig was pos­si­bly not quite sure what he was say­ing,” says richard, “but on the fi­nal show of se­ries XII he said, ‘get doug to write some more and let’s keep go­ing!’”

“i’m happy to do more if i’ve got the ideas,” adds doug. “But i don’t re­ally know whether i’ve got the ideas un­til i start writ­ing it. with XI and XII i did think there was enough there.”

One thing that seems ex­tremely un­likely is a fi­nale episode to send the boys from the dwarf into a glo­ri­ous re­tire­ment.

“i hon­estly don’t think i could do it,” doug ad­mits. “i don’t think i could make it and not be a blub­ber­ing mess – i don’t think i could put my­self through that. and also i do take a les­son from Larry david on Se­in­feld, who said that if he had his time again he wouldn’t make the very last show. He felt that was a mis­take, be­cause it’s never the show ev­ery­one wants. it’s im­pos­si­ble to do.”

ROUTE AND END UP WITH THREE PEN­SION­ERS AND A SENILE DROID AT THE HELM? LLEWELLYN i thought it had a shelf life in 1989! it’s im­pos­si­ble to say now, be­cause we’ve been do­ing this such a long time. BAR­RIE i think it all de­pends on doug re­ally… LLEWELLYN and mor­tal­ity. CHARLES we could be Last Of The Sum­mer Dwarf.

LLEWELLYN we’re very close to that now! CHARLES One of the rea­sons the show is funny now is there’s still a youth­ful en­ergy about the per­for­mances, it’s not world weary. JOHN-JULES with Last Of The Sum­mer wine they all started old whereas we’ve grown with the show. CHARLES when i first started do­ing it, i didn’t have to push when i peed. LLEWELLYN it just hap­pened, didn’t it? it just used to come out. CHARLES i used to make it over the wall. LLEWELLYN i have to lean on the wall to get any­where near the wall now Kevin J

LOOK­ING AT EACH OTHER’S NON-DWARF CA­REERS, IS THERE ONE JOB WHERE YOU THOUGHT, “I WISH I WAS OF­FERED THAT?”

CHARLES Death In Par­adise for me. five months of the year in guadalupe? it’s a no­fuck­ing-brainer. get­ting paid to go on hol­i­day. LLEWELLYN yeah, it’s Death In Par­adise. BAR­RIE it’s prob­a­bly Death In Par­adise. JOHN-JULES mine’s Death In Par­adise too! CHARLES i would have liked to have done Tomb Raider as well. that was quite a cool

gig to get. BAR­RIE it was quite a cool gig. CHARLES if i’d made Tomb Raider that an­gelina/Brad thing might never have hap­pened. it would be craigelina. Jem

DO YOU HAVE ANY RUN­NING JOKES/IN-GAGS BE­TWEEN YOUR­SELVES AND, IF SO, ARE THERE ANY THAT ARE CLEAN ENOUGH TO SHARE?

LLEWELLYN “where’s danny?” JOHN-JULES in the morn­ing it’s “where’s danny?” dur­ing the day, it’s “where’s craig?” “He’s out the back hav­ing a fag.” “where’s Bobby?” “He’s gone with him.” “where’s chris?”

LLEWELLYN “Buff­ing up a bit of wal­nut on the car out­side.”

CHARLES “can we all be a lit­tle bit more pro­fes­sional please?”

JOHN-JULES craig is al­ways on the phone book­ing an­other dJing gig.

CHARLES i al­ways get robert to hand me a script so i can check a line, and then throw it on the floor. He’s fallen for that for 25 years. ruth Biggs

WHICH OF YOU WOULD BE BEST AT FLY­ING STAR­BUG?

JOHN-JULES chris would prob­a­bly think that he would be the safest – in­fin­ity wel­comes care­ful driv­ers.

CHARLES He’d be driv­ing it with a flat cap and some driv­ing gloves. BAR­RIE in my hands it might last the long­est.

CHARLES i re­gret that my kids are old enough now to know that i’m not ac­tu­ally driv­ing that space­ship. Later at my youngest daugh­ter’s school they were ask­ing the kids what their dads did, and she said, “my dad’s a taxi driver,” be­cause of Corona­tion Street. she thought it was real! myles Hadley

WHAT WAS THE HARD­EST SCENE TO REACH THE END OF?

BAR­RIE for me the scene i never thought i’d get through was in “twen­tica”, an 11-pager.

LLEWELLYN the one i al­ways re­mem­ber is when we did the syn­chro­nised one [“en­tan­gled” in se­ries X]. i was look­ing at danny and i was think­ing, “this will end, there will be a point in my life where i have done it, but i can­not see it be­cause i’ve got no clue how we’re go­ing to do this.”

JOHN-JULES we never ever got to the end of the scene in re­hearsal, ever.

CHARLES i felt like that when we did “ma­rooned” [se­ries iii] be­cause it was ba­si­cally just a two-han­der. the amount of di­a­logue we had... Bob’s vin­tage LegO

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THE RED DWARF LEGO IDEA CUR­RENTLY IN RE­VIEW WITH LEGO IDEAS?

JOHN-JULES we went past the tar­get num­ber of peo­ple it takes [for them to make it] but ap­par­ently af­ter that there’s an­other stage

IF I’D MADE TOMB RAIDER, AN­GELINA/BRAD WOULD HAVE BEEN CRAIGELINA

where you get a con­sul­ta­tion, and a lot of it’s got to do with whether it’s suit­able for the com­pany… LLEWELLYN ...and chil­dren. CHARLES it’d be re­ally good to be a Lego char­ac­ter. it would be nice to have some­thing that’s slightly more plas­tic than our per­for­mances. rob Hor­rocks

YOU’VE ALL PLAYED VAR­I­OUS AL­TER­NA­TIVE VER­SIONS OF YOUR CHAR­AC­TERS, BE IT DUANE DIB­B­LEY, ACE RIM­MER OR THE DOPPELGANGERS FROM “DEMONS AND AN­GELS”. WHICH AL­TER­NA­TIVE VER­SION OF YOUR CHAR­AC­TER WAS THE MOST FUN TO POR­TRAY, AND WHICH WAS THE WORST?

JOHN-JULES all of mine have been a joy be­cause i don’t think i’d get cast in those char­ac­ters in a nor­mal show – i can’t imag­ine that any­one would write duane dib­b­ley as a stand­alone char­ac­ter.

BAR­RIE it’s great fun to play them all. rim­mer with the anger re­moved – “Let’s put that on the back­burner, shall we?”

CHARLES i still get the shakes about that char­ac­ter chris played in “demons and an­gels”. “and then i’m go­ing to have you...”

JOHN-JULES i loved the sheet-wear­ing cult hip­pies in that episode.

BAR­RIE it some­times comes down to what’s the most com­fort­able out­fit to wear, and that one was pretty com­fort­able. the de­mon cos­tume wasn’t. alex

WHAT DID ROBERT DO WITH THE BO­GEY HE EX­PERTLY CAUGHT IN THE OUT­TAKES?

CHARLES He’s kept it, he’s got it in a lit­tle jar in his shelf! that’s one of the fun­ni­est smeg-ups of them all. JOHN-JULES i love the fact that the cam­era pulls fo­cus to it. LLEWELLYN it was just a fluke, wasn’t it? James fraser

IF YOU COULD HAVE A CROSS­OVER WITH ANY OTHER SHOW WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE?

JOHN-JULES

the big­gest thing on so­cial net­works is Doc­tor who, it’s just re­lent­less. LLEWELLYN it would have been great if there were some daleks chas­ing us for no rea­son at all, and they go away and we don’t see them again. CHARLES i’d love Lis­ter to beam into Star wars and think, “nah,” and beam back out again. Lynsey gra­ham

GIVEN THAT GOD IS IN­FI­NITE, AND THAT THE UNI­VERSE IS ALSO IN­FI­NITE... WOULD YOU LIKE A TOASTED TEA­CAKE?

BAR­RIE it’s twenty past ten, i’d love a toasted tea­cake. CHARLES i think talkie toaster should be back. there should be a lit­tle bit of talkie toaster in ev­ery episode, just a lit­tle cameo JOHN-JULES Just cut away to the shelf, there’s talkie toaster. “what the fuck is wrong with this lot?” that would be funny.

SFX thank you, chaps! JOHN-JULES we look for­ward to it look­ing noth­ing like what we’ve said!

Red Dwarf XII airs on Dave from 12 Oc­to­ber.

Cheat­ing at Go Fish is a dis­grace!

One of th­ese mechanoids is also an In­be­tweener.

Holly’s not just any old float­ing head, you know...

Is this Dave’s plan for ty­ing the guys into an­other se­ries?

It’s time to re­cite some Shake­speare.

“Ev­ery­one back in the box un­til they need us the next time.”

Can’t a man eat his French fries in peace?

We’re not sure Johnny Ve­gas’s po­lice uni­form is reg­u­la­tion.

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