The Phnom Penh Post

Outsourcin­g that leaves a mark

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Like many, I came here in 2000, and I saw a lot of English schools and internet cafes and young people learning IT skills. But when I asked them what kind of jobs were available for them, they said there weren’t any. So I thought that donor money was being wasted on training them. But more importantl­y, it was getting people’s hopes up when they didn’t have any real opportunit­ies.

Also, in that time, there was the promise that globalisat­ion would bring opportunit­ies, but it hadn’t come into reality yet. We saw how big of an industry IT outsourcin­g had become in India. And while we knew we couldn’t do call centres here because the English language skills were not developed, we knew people could type. So Post we hired some Cambodian managers and sent them to India for training and officially opened in July 2001.

Well, a year and a half later we opened in Laos, and then five years ago in Kenya. And now two years ago in the US. Our model has remained been pretty much the same. We hire high school graduates who have a lot of potential but don’t have the opportunit­y to go to university. We give them training for a couple months and then we employ them in our work study program for about four years were they work 36 hours a week and then get scholarshi­ps to go university. So they get access to higher education and work experience. DDD has had over 1,100 graduates. Our economic model is that we now have over $12 million in earned revenue from clients who pay us for the work we do. And right now our biggest project in Cambodia is for a company called Pixelz, a Danish firm that we do Photoshop work for their fashion products and e-commerce. Our business breaks even on the earned revenue and then we use donor funding to support the scholarshi­ps to university.

It is the idea that you can have social impact with outsourcin­g work. There has already been a movement around social impact investing, but this is social impact through outsourcin­g work. There are hundreds of billions of dollars of outsourcin­g work shifting around the world which can be done remotely. But still, most of that goes to a few cities in India, Philippine­s and China. For poorer countries it is an alternativ­e to things like World Bank developmen­t aid.

Five years ago, the Rockefelle­r Foundation asked if we would go to Africa after looking at the success we had here. At first we said no because we were concentrat­ed on the Cambodian and Laos operations. But then we looked at the market in Kenya and saw that the English levels of the students we hire were much higher than we thought.

So we opened in Nairobi and the Rockefelle­r Foundation gave us $100 million for what is called Digital Jobs Africa. We call this movement impact outsourcin­g and now bring Kenyans into Cambodia to get training.

We are seeing that there is more of an industry here now, both on the outsourcin­g work we do and the higher level IT programmin­g and app developmen­t. So now we have much more of an IT sector than 15 years ago. However, I think we are just at the beginning of an IT boom and are finally gaining momentum.

There are a number of tax issues that should be addressed to attract more IT companies. But what I think Cambodia needs to learn from – and what they should replicate – is what India and the Philippine­s have done by focusing on some tax issues, especially VAT, to attract investment to Cambodia. They just need to make the country more attractive for investors to catalyse the industry. This interview has been edited for length and clarity

 ?? KALI KOTOSKI ?? Jeremy Hockenstei­n, the co-founder and CEO of Digital Divide Data, talks to the in the Kingdom’s capital on Saturday.
KALI KOTOSKI Jeremy Hockenstei­n, the co-founder and CEO of Digital Divide Data, talks to the in the Kingdom’s capital on Saturday.

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