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HOW TO SAVE THE RIGHT

Try a mash-up of philosophi­es

- This interview has been edited and condensed. CHRIS SELLEY

What does it mean to be a conservati­ve in 2015?

In Canada, Stephen Harper’s coalition of libertaria­ns, Red Tories and social conservati­ves struggles with new debates on drug laws, prostituti­on and assisted suicide.

Stateside, the rebuilding Republican­s battle to reconcile their small-government reputation with George W. Bush’s disillusio­ning legacy, and to attract millennial voters who are fiscally conservati­ve but socially liberal.

In his new book, The Conservata­rian Manifesto, National Review contributo­r Charles C.W. Cooke proposes the U.S. Constituti­on sorts it all out. The Founding Fathers never intended Washington to have as much power as it does, and it’s impractica­l to expect such an enormously diverse population to live under the same gun control or abortion laws.

Cooke proposes libertaria­ns and conservati­ves combine their best instincts to “re-establish (the GOP) as the party of liberty” — a party that’s “tolerant of ... how others wish to live their lives,” and that’s, above all, committed to local government­s running things as their constituen­ts see fit.

Q Why does America need a “conservata­rian” movement?

A There are two reasons. First, there’s a generation­al divide within the Republican party, especially on gay marriage and on the war on drugs. If it doesn’t adapt, it’s going to be out of step with future generation­s. Second, the Bush administra­tion wasn’t the success that conservati­ves hoped for. Some of that was the product of 9/11. But even when conservati­ves had no pressure, they voluntaril­y violated the rhetoric that arguably put them into power. They passed No Child Left Behind, a federal takeover of education; they expanded Medicare without paying for it; and, although I understand the instinct, they intervened in the Terri Schiavo affair. So you have a party that talks a good game, but spent too much, intruded too much, invaded too much and controlled too much.

Q Is there anyone in contempora­ry American politics you see as a likely champion of this movement?

A Intellectu­ally, the person who has most in common with what I’m suggesting is Rand Paul. But I’m not sure I’d want him as a champion because — well, first thing, his father is a kook.

Q Many view America’s experience with guns as a mark of shame on conservati­ves. You argue it’s been a triumph.

A Since 1994 we’ve seen almost 180 million guns sold in the U.S. But the murder rate has dropped 49 per cent. And the general crime rate with guns has dropped 75 per cent. Now that’s not to say the U.S. doesn’t have more gun crime because it has 350 million guns. But pretending there’s some hard-and-fast link between the number and the outcomes is folly. The second point I’d make is that it’s the law, and laws matter. It’s enumerated within the constituti­on, its meaning is clear, and if advocates wish to see a change, then they’ll need to repeal that law.

Q Pretty much every western country has been stupid about drugs. But the U.S., to me, is the most glaring, because liberty is supposed to be the ideal. And yet we see enormous incarcerat­ion rates, the prison-industrial complex, outrageous­ly militarize­d police forces ...

A Conservati­ves claim to be the true defenders and champions of the constituti­on as it was written and amended. And yet, on the question of drugs, they’re happy to tolerate all sorts of intrusions

upon the constituti­on’s precepts that they never would otherwise. It’s not just the obvious violations of privacy, it’s not just the militariza­tion of the police. It’s the fact the federal government is involved at all. Conservati­ves claim to wish issues of commerce be restricted to the state. Drugs is an issue of commerce. This has been a disaster financiall­y; there is still widespread drug use that’s created perverse incentives that lead to gang activity. And finally, I think it puts people off. They look at the conservati­ve offering and say, “Well, I don’t understand how you can talk all the time about liberty and small government and localism and then support this monstrosit­y.”

Q On same-sex marriage, a common libertaria­n position is that government should get out of the marriage business altogether. You don’t agree.

A The problem as I see it, and this is the problem with libertaria­ns in general, is that it presumes

the state has been shrunk to the size of a pea. The reality is that marriage is inextricab­le from government because government is inextricab­le from our lives. Although I find this difficult to imagine as a libertaria­n-leaning person, the most effective argument in favour of gay marriage has been that, to refuse to acknowledg­e or accept it is some form of animus, and that the state is refusing its imprimatur. Now if what you want is the imprimatur of the state, then you’re not going to accept the removal of the state completely from that process.

Q It strikes me that your plan relies, above all else, on people being principled, being willing to stick to their democratic beliefs even if they lead to outcomes they don’t like. But as you say in the book, most people aren’t like that at all. How do you overcome that?

A If conservati­ves were so committed in the abstract to the values I’m putting forward, the book wouldn’t have been necessary. Where I disagree is that, not just within the conservati­ve movement, but in America writ large, we’re seeing an extraordin­ary amount of ideologica­l and intellectu­al and even spiritual division. If you look at a question like drugs, now more than ever voters in Colorado and Washington have a reason to question federal power, because the federal government still has laws on its books that are in conflict with the will of the voters (on marijuana legalizati­on). The Baptist in Mississipp­i and the hipster in Portland, Oregon, have almost nothing in common, and yet they’re expected to live under the same government. And, if we don’t want to live in a country that yo-yos ridiculous­ly every four or eight years, with the makeup of the national government, some of the powers that are currently being exercised in Washington, D.C., need to be returned to the states, so that those who vehemently disagree with one another can live locally as they see fit.

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 ?? BRIAN HARKIN/ FOR NATIONAL POST ?? In his new book, The Conservata­rian Manifesto, Charles C.W. Cooke proposes libertaria­ns and conservati­ves combine to “re-establish (the Republican­s) as the party of liberty.”
BRIAN HARKIN/ FOR NATIONAL POST In his new book, The Conservata­rian Manifesto, Charles C.W. Cooke proposes libertaria­ns and conservati­ves combine to “re-establish (the Republican­s) as the party of liberty.”
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