National Post

Riocan eyes logistics partners

Looking to convert space into distributi­on centres

- VANMALA SUBRAMANIA­M

Riocan Real Estate Investment Trust, one of the largest retail landlords in Canada, is in discussion­s with “three to four” Canadian and internatio­nal tech companies about a potential partnershi­p that could see Riocan get more involved in the logistics business.

“We have not come to any conclusion­s about selecting a company. But we are in conversati­on with three to four that can help us perfect a couple of things, specifical­ly, how we can tie portions of our property into that last piece of logistical delivery,” Riocan CEO Ed Sonshine said in an interview with The Logic Thursday.

Riocan owns 221 retail and mixed- use properties primarily in urban and suburban parts of Toronto and Ottawa. The company’s tenants include large chains like Whole Foods Market, Cineplex, Canadian Tire, Walmart and Costco, but also smaller retailers like MEC and Bed Bath & Beyond.

Sonshine believes the long- term future of REITS with portfolios that still consist largely of retailers lies in their ability to turn existing space they own, like parking lots at shopping centres and strip malls, into distributi­on centres that are at the “last leg” of a delivery chain.

“We have wonderful locations in the inner city, and in suburbs. We want someone that can take the space that we own and create a smart system where you can either have people within a five- kilometre radius pick up items that they’ve ordered, or act as a distributi­on centre to a company that delivers within a five- kilometre radius,” he said. “We want a tech company to effectivel­y be our tenant as part of a logistics chain.”

In May, the real estate giant launched Curbside Collect, a contactles­s item-pickup program for customers, akin to a drive- thru. Sonshine said part of why he is in conversati­on with select tech companies — which he declined to name — is to help Riocan’s smaller retail tenants set up Curbside Collect in a more technologi­cally savvy way.

There’s some precedent to what Sonshine is proposing. Simon Property Group, the largest mall owner in the U. S., was reportedly in talks last summer with Amazon over turning some of its department stores, formerly or currently housed by Sears and Jcpenney, into Amazon distributi­on hubs. Part of the advantage of using malls as storage facilities is they tend to be located in areas that are densely populated, making them ideal pickup spots for the last stage of an e-commerce-delivery cycle.

This is where Sonshine believes Riocan’s advantage lies. “We are sitting on prime real estate in some of the best neighbourh­oods in the country. I’m not too worried about some of our retail tenants going out of business — the question is, what can we do with that space in the long run?”

Sonshine, who is retiring as CEO next March after 26 years, said he expects the company to have signed a deal with a large tech company “by 2021.”

In quarterly earnings

WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THAT SPAC E IN THE LONG RUN?

posted Thursday, Riocan saw its net income plunge $ 60 million to $ 117.6 million year- over- year for the period ended Sept. 30, as the COVID- 19 pandemic forced some of its tenants to defer rent payments. The company’s earnings show a $ 14.4- million decline in net income for the same period due to “pandemic- related provisions related to rent abatement and bad debts.”

The compositio­n of Riocan’s portfolio has changed over the years to incorporat­e more service- oriented businesses like nail salons, gyms and movie theatres, and fewer retailers. Yet 90.2 per cent of its tenants are still in the retail space, which Sonshine acknowledg­ed has been difficult for the company since the start of the pandemic. He said industrial RE ITS — owners of warehouses and factories — are currently the strongest operators in the real estate space, but that Riocan’s existing properties are “far too valuable” to be converted into warehouse use.

“I think that as cities continue to densify, and traffic continues to be a problem, there’s opportunit­y in the delivery business for spaces like ours to play a role in the logistics chain. I’m not saying we’re getting into the logistics business immediatel­y, but there’s certainly potential there.”

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there’s certainly potential there,” Riocan CEO Ed Sonshine said Thursday.
PETER J. THOMPSON / FINANCIAL POST “There’s opportunit­y in the delivery business for spaces like ours to play a role in the logistics chain. I’m not saying we’re getting into the logistics business immediatel­y, but there’s certainly potential there,” Riocan CEO Ed Sonshine said Thursday.

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