TRUMP ‘PROBABLY’ HAS PARDON POWER, GIULIANI SAYS
WASHINGTON • President Donald Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani said Sunday that the president’s constitutional powers probably include the ability to pardon himself. But he said such a move would surely incite political blowback and lead to impeachment proceedings.
Giuliani, appearing on ABC’s This Week, was asked about a letter sent by Trump’s legal team early this year to special counsel Robert Mueller saying the president can’t be forced to testify as part of Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. The 20-page letter asserted that Trump has unlimited power over federal investigations and could terminate any investigation “or even exercise his power to pardon.” The existence of the letter was first reported by the New York Times.
When ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Giuliani whether Trump could pardon himself, the former prosecutor — who was not on Trump’s legal team when the letter was written — laughed and then said probably so.
“He probably does,” he said. “He has no intention of pardoning himself, but he probably — not to say he can’t.”
The Constitution, in Article II, states that the president “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States.”
“I think it would probably get answered by, ‘Gosh that’s what the Constitution says, if you want to change it, change it.’ I think the political ramifications of that would be tough,” Giuliani he said.
On NBC’s Meet the Press, Giuliani framed the pardon question as purely hypothetical and politically implausible. “It’s not going to happen. It’s a hypothetical point,” he told host Chuck Todd. He went on to describe such a move as “unthinkable” and said it would probably lead immediately to impeachment.
This is not the first time the issue of the president’s ability to pardon himself has come up. As early as last summer, the president began quietly asking advisers about his power to pardon aides, family members and even himself. His lawyers at the time began discussing his pardoning powers as well.
Giuliani said Sunday it remains an open question whether the president will testify in the investigation. He said that Trump wants to testify but that Giuliani and his team are leaning against recommending that.