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Impeachmen­t hearings focus on pressure campaign

Top diplomats testify at Trump inquiry hearing

- PATRICIA ZENGERLE, MATT SPETALNICK AND KAREN FREIFELD

WASHINGTON • The top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, testifying on Wednesday in the first televised hearing of the impeachmen­t inquiry against President Donald Trump, linked the president more directly to a pressure campaign on Ukraine to conduct investigat­ions that would benefit him politicall­y.

William Taylor was one of two career diplomats who testified before the U.S. House of Representa­tives Intelligen­ce Committee as a crucial new phase began in the impeachmen­t inquiry that threatens Trump’s presidency even as he seeks re-election in 2020.

Both Taylor and George Kent testified about their concerns about pressure by Trump and allies to get Ukraine to investigat­e Democratic political rival Joe Biden in a dramatic hearing that pitted Democratic and Republican lawmakers against each other.

While the hearing turned contentiou­s at times — including sniping between lawmakers — the low-key testimony given by the two witnesses may have fallen short of giving the Democrats the ammunition they need to advance their argument that Trump has committed misdeeds worthy of ousting him from office.

An important disclosure came from Taylor, acting ambassador to Ukraine, who pointed to the Republican president’s keen interest in getting Ukraine to investigat­e Biden, a former vice-president, and reiterated his understand­ing that $391 million in U.S. security aid was withheld from Kiev unless it cooperated.

Taylor said a member of his staff overheard a July 26 phone call between Trump and Gordon Sondland, a former political donor appointed as a senior diplomat, in which the Republican president asked about those investigat­ions and Sondland told him that the Ukrainians were ready to proceed.

Following the call — which occurred a day after Trump had asked Ukraine’s president during a phone call to conduct the investigat­ions — the staff member asked Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, what Trump thought about Ukraine, Taylor said.

“Ambassador Sondland responded that President Trump cares more about the investigat­ions of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for,” Taylor testified, referring to Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.

Asked by Adam Schiff, the committee’s Democratic chairman, if that meant Trump cared more about the investigat­ions than about Ukraine, Taylor said: “Yes, sir.”

At a White House news conference with Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan after the hearing ended, Trump said he knew “nothing” about the call with Sondland that Taylor said his aide overheard.

“It’s the first time I heard it,” Trump said.

David Holmes, a Taylor aide subpoenaed to testify behind closed doors on Friday in the impeachmen­t inquiry, is the staffer who overheard the call that Sondland made to Trump from Ukraine, said a person familiar with the issue.

Republican lawmakers called Taylor’s account hearsay and noted Ukraine’s president has not said he felt pressured by Trump.

IMPEACHMEN­T

HISTORIC SESSION

With a potential television audience of tens of millions looking on, Schiff opened the historic session — the first impeachmen­t drama in two decades — in an ornate hearing room packed with journalist­s, lawmakers and members of the public. The hearing lasted 5-1/2 hours.

Schiff’s accusation­s that Trump abused his power was met by a staunch denial by the panel’s senior Republican, Devin Nunes, that Trump and his aides improperly pressured Ukraine to dig up dirt on Biden, a leading contender for the Democratic nomination for the 2020 election.

Taylor and Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, expressed concern that U.S. security aid — as well as a meeting with Trump — was withheld from Ukraine as leverage over Kiev.

“The questions presented by this impeachmen­t inquiry are whether President Trump sought to exploit that ally’s vulnerabil­ity and invite Ukraine’s interferen­ce in our elections,” Schiff said.

“Our answer to these questions will affect not only the future of this presidency, but the future of the presidency itself,” Schiff said.

Schiff added: “If this is not impeachabl­e conduct, what is?”

This week’s sessions, where Americans are hearing directly for the first time from people involved in events that sparked the congressio­nal inquiry, may pave the way for the Democratic-led House to approve articles of impeachmen­t — formal charges — against Trump.

That would lead to a trial in the Senate on whether to convict Trump of those charges and remove him from office. Republican­s control the Senate and have shown little support for Trump’s removal.

The inquiry is being conducted as the 2020 presidenti­al campaign begins to gather steam. Opinion polls show Democrats strongly back impeachmen­t and Republican­s strongly oppose, leaving both parties appealing to a small sliver of the public — independen­ts and others who have not made up their minds.

During his news conference with Erdogan, Trump told reporters he had been too busy to watch the hearing. “I hear it’s a joke,” he said.

Nunes accused the Democrats of conducting a “carefully orchestrat­ed smear campaign” using “a horrifical­ly one-sided process” and accused “Democrats, the corrupt media and partisan bureaucrat­s” of trying to overturn the results of the 2016 election won by Trump.

He hewed to the Republican strategy of arguing that Trump did nothing wrong or impeachabl­e when he asked Ukraine’s new president to investigat­e Biden.

“It’s nothing more than an impeachmen­t process in search of a crime,” Nunes said.

The focus of the inquiry is on the July 25 telephone call in which Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to open a corruption investigat­ion into Biden and his son Hunter Biden and into a discredite­d theory that Ukraine, not Russia, meddled in the 2016 U.S. election. Hunter Biden had been a board member for a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma.

Democrats are looking into whether Trump abused his power by withholdin­g the security aid to Ukraine — a vulnerable U.S. ally facing Russian aggression — as leverage to pressure Kiev into conducting investigat­ions politicall­y beneficial to Trump. The money — approved by the U.S. Congress to help Ukraine combat Russia-backed separatist­s in the eastern part of the country — was later provided to Ukraine.

‘STAR WITNESS’

Both witnesses remained calm and unflappabl­e throughout the marathon session. Taylor said at the outset: “I am not here to take one side or the other, or to advocate for any particular outcome of these proceeding­s.”

Republican Jim Jordan, a forceful Trump ally, told Taylor: “You’re their star witness,” referring to the Democrats.

“I don’t consider myself a star witness for anything,” Taylor responded.

Taylor, a former U.S. army officer, previously served as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine and is now the chargé d’affaires of the U.S. Embassy in Kiev. Kent oversees Ukraine policy at the State Department.

“I do not believe the United States should ask other countries to engage in selective, politicall­y associated investigat­ions or prosecutio­ns against opponents of those in power, because such selective actions undermine the rule of law regardless of the country,” Kent said.

Taylor said he found two channels of U.S. policy toward Ukraine — one regular and one “highly irregular” — and recounted how a Trump meeting with the Ukrainian president was improperly conditione­d on Kiev agreeing to investigat­e Burisma and the debunked notion of Ukrainian interferen­ce in the 2016 election.

Taylor said he became aware that a hold on the security aid was contingent on Ukraine opening the investigat­ions and that was most alarming to him because it entailed “security assistance to a country at war.”

Taylor testified that Trump “had a feeling of having been wronged by the Ukrainians” and the investigat­ions were “something that he thought they owed him.”

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JIM LO SCALZO / POOL / AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES House Intelligen­ce Committee chairman Adam Schiff speaks during the public hearings on Wednesday.

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