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REVISITING THE REPORT

Where does Truth and Reconcilia­tion stand now?

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Two and a half years after the Truth and Reconcilia­tion Commission’s final report was released along with its 94 Calls to Action, the question remains — is it working?

Ry Moran is the director of the National Centre for Truth and Reconcilia­tion, based out of the University of Manitoba. He spoke with Postmedia News about how he feels reconcilia­tion has gone so far, what’s working, what isn’t and what needs to happen next.

While he is encouraged by important steps taken by government­s, including adopting the United Nations Declaratio­n on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and a commitment to establish the National Council for Reconcilia­tion, Moran said there is still a lot of room to grow.

Q Is reconcilia­tion unfolding in the way you envisioned it would?

A In the education sector ... I would say nearly all jurisdicti­ons are attempting to bring authentic Indigenous perspectiv­es into the classrooms ... And of course like all of this stuff, it’s not without its problems. It’s not that there are not plenty of examples of maybe students receiving misinforma­tion or instructor­s perpetuati­ng some of the myths that have continued to exist in the country, but the effort is being made. Now, is it perfect? No. Not by any means, but there is an effort there.

Q What about on an individual level?

A For all of this nice big-picture stuff, the reality is very little has changed in the day to day lives of Indigenous peoples ... The health crisis continues to rage, the suicide epidemic continues to burn, there are still multiple communitie­s on boil water advisories ... There is an ever-increasing number of kids in care, and there remain persistent inequaliti­es in funding formulas that the federal government is trying to rectify, but they persist nonetheles­s ... There’s a real tension between the need to act in the immediate and the time that it takes in order to create the structures to really start improving, in a tangible way, the lives of Indigenous peoples.

Q Are individual­s not keeping up with the changes that are being made at group levels?

A We know that there are still a lot of people that remain largely unaware of the fact the we had a truth commission in this country ... We also, at that time, probed and determined that while many people had heard of residentia­l schools, most people were not able to clearly articulate what the true intent and effect and harm of those residentia­l schools were. Canadians just remain largely unaware of what the true history of this country is.

Q Is that the inevitable order of change — group and then individual?

A First and foremost, there is an individual responsibi­lity for reconcilia­tion and everybody has the power and potential to change ... The idea is that the more we educate Canadians on just how awful Indigenous peoples have been treated, most Canadians are good people, most Canadians will rise to that level of moral responsibi­lity and say, ‘My God, we need to get this right, because what has happened is wrong.’

Q A lot of reconcilia­tion efforts have centred on renaming buildings or acknowledg­ing when we’re on Indigenous land. Are we too caught up in these symbolic gestures and not addressing the more concrete calls to action?

A Let’s not underestim­ate the power that sincere, informed, acknowledg­ment of traditiona­l territory actually has because when you acknowledg­e territory, what you’re doing is you’re acknowledg­ing the thousands of years of history that preceded the country that we call Canada ... That’s a very important first step to actually just being in relationsh­ips with Indigenous peoples.

Senator Murray Sinclair, chair of the Truth and Reconcilia­tion Commission, said time might be better spent exploring how to honour Indigenous heroes instead of just tearing down statues and removing names.

As we rename places, or as we explore new names or as we add additional context to those names and really ensure that Indigenous perspectiv­es on all of these places is actually occurring, we will begin to have a much more honest depiction of who we are as a country ... When an Indigenous child walks into a school named Sir John A. Macdonald School, and perhaps knowing full well that the person for whom the school bears the name of really wanted to eliminate him and his parents and his grandparen­ts from this country, is that a safe place for learning?

Q Have you seen anything that you feel is counterpro­ductive to reconcilia­tion?

A The one danger in all of this though is tokenism ... Tokenism is where you bring an Indigenous person on and just expect the status quo to be completely acceptable and that does not work ... It’s not just enough to change a couple names and add a person to a board or add a new Indigenous position to an institutio­n.

Q Is this still happening?

A It’s happening all over the place for sure ... But the powerful thing is that Indigenous peoples are also way less tolerant of that and are naming it and are saying that this is not acceptable.

Q Are there any particular calls to action that you feel aren’t being addressed?

A It’s easy to talk about the action that’s being undertaken but we have to ask ourselves, is it resulting in a tangible change and is it tangibly improving the lives of Indigenous peoples? We really have to be very conscious about measuring that and using the right metrics as determined by Indigenous peoples as to what success actually looks like.

But we lack the depth of informatio­n ... of what actually is going on and is it actually changing and is it achieving the desired results that we’re intending to have, which is the creation of a respectful and just society?

Q How and when will we know that?

A We don’t have a state of reconcilia­tion report as of yet, but we will ... That will say what’s happening in health, what’s happening in education, what’s happening in child and families, what are the steps that we need to take, how we’re going to get there, who’s responsibl­e for what, what are the blockages, what are the shortfalls ... It’s some years out.

Q In the meantime, what can individual­s do?

A On CBC a little while ago, I asked five questions. Can you name the traditiona­l territory that you live in? If not, why? Have you ever talked to an Indigenous person? If not, why? Have you read an Indigenous author or listened to an Indigenous musician or watched a film created by an Indigenous producer. If not, why? Have you ever attended a ceremony before? And if not, why? ... Those are very simple steps, and they’re things that people can do if they feel so inclined.

Q Are government­s doing enough?

A Is it enough? I’ll never say that it’s enough. And I don’t think you’ll ever hear from a single Indigenous person that it’s enough, but is it changing? Absolutely it is. The question is, how we are going to ensure that this stays successful over the long term?

This is not solely a government­al responsibi­lity — it’s the business community, it’s faith communitie­s, it’s municipali­ties. It’s the federal government, the provincial government­s, and it’s all of us as individual citizens.

This may be the greatest, truest democratic initiative ... in the sense that it really relies on all of us as individual­s to take the tangible steps forward to make this into a fair, respectful, just and equal society — equal for everybody, because right now it’s not.

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 ?? MICHELLE BERG/FILES ?? Ry Moran, director of the National Centre for Truth and Reconcilia­tion, says that many Canadians remain uninformed about the country’s history with Indigenous peoples.
MICHELLE BERG/FILES Ry Moran, director of the National Centre for Truth and Reconcilia­tion, says that many Canadians remain uninformed about the country’s history with Indigenous peoples.

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