Toronto Star

STILL D’OH-ING STRONG AFTER 636 EPISODES

Simpsons creator says going ‘over the cliff’ with jokes has given the series its staying power

- BILL KEVENEY

Leave it to The Simpsons’ Homeric sweep.

As Fox’s animated classic closes in on another TV milestone, the most episodes of a scripted prime-time series, it connects directly with Guns

moke, the show it surpasses with Sunday’s 636th episode (Global at 7:30 p.m., Fox at 8 p.m.).

Dennis Weaver, a star of the iconic CBS Western, guest-voiced an aging Western movie star in 2002.

Simpsons creator Matt Groening likes Gunsmoke (1955-1975) and remembers Weaver — “a good sport” — but you can’t blame him for forgetting a few of the hundreds of guest appearance­s that make up just one of hundreds of trivia lists relating to Homer, Marge, Bart, Lisa and Maggie Simpson and their many Springfiel­d neighbours.

“I actually sometimes meet a famous actor and say, ‘Aw, you should do The Simpsons sometime.’ And they say, ‘I already did,’ ” he admits.

The appearance­s go back decades. The Emmy- and Peabody-winning series, which starts its 30th season this fall, began in 1987 as animated shorts on Fox’s sketch-comedy series The Tracey Ullman Show before getting its own 1989 Christmas special and launching as a series on Jan. 14, 1990.

In a mid-April interview, Groening discussed the upcoming milestone; an early indication of The Simpsons’ exceptiona­lism; repetition; criticism of convenienc­e-store operator Apu Nahasapeem­ape- tilon as an Indian stereotype and whether an end date is in sight.

What kind of significan­ce does this milestone, 636 episodes, have for you?

We certainly didn’t expect to last this long … When we started, we didn’t even know if the Fox network was going to last, much less our own show. Fox was an experiment and they allowed us to do pretty much whatever we wanted.

What led you to think The Simpsons would be something special?

The episode where Homer skateboard­s over Springfiel­d Gorge — almost (Season 2’s “Bart the Daredevil” from 1990). It made me realize we’ve really got something. It’s like classic Warner Bros. (Looney Tunes), but we can do our own variation. Homer goes over the cliff. He doesn’t make it. He hits the wall all the way down. The skateboard lands on his head. He gets raised up on a gurney and bangs his head all the way up. He gets put in an ambulance that hits a tree. The gurney rolls out and he goes over the cliff again. It’s that extra plummet. That’s The Simpsons at its best.

Does Homer’s fall from a cliff in the April 29 record-breaker pay homage to that early scene?

Whenever anyone goes over a cliff on The Simpsons, we definitely have in the back of our minds the classic Springfiel­d Gorge scene.

Is it difficult to remain relevant and avoid repetition?

We always try to surprise ourselves and then hope we surprise the audience. After doing so many episodes those surprises become harder to think up. I’m very proud of some of the places the show has gone in recent years, including giving the couch-gag spot to outside animators (including Banksy, Bill Plympton, Don Hertzfeldt and this year’s Oscar winner for Best Director, Guillermo del Toro).

Now we have writers on the show who grew up with the show. What’s great is they have the history memorized. They’ll say, “You did that in episode 178.”

Do you have any thoughts on the criticism of Apu as a stereotype?

Not really. I’m proud of what we do on the show. And I think it’s a time in our culture where people love to pretend they’re offended.

In the April 8 episode, which addressed the Apu criticism and reignited controvers­y, what did it mean when Marge said, “Some things will be addressed at a later date,” and Lisa said, “If at all”?

We’ll let the show speak for itself.

You began as rebels. Is it an adjustment to become the establishm­ent?

When we first started, we were part of the downfall of civilizati­on. Bart said he was “an underachie­ver and proud of it, man.” Simpsons T-shirts were banned in grade schools. I felt that the controvers­y at the beginning of the show was, again, people pretending to be offended by Bart’s very mild sassiness. I knew it would blow over. At the heart of our show is a churchgoin­g family who eats dinner together every night and is very traditiona­l. They drive each other crazy, but they do love each other.

How long will The Simpsons continue?

I don’t see any end in sight. It’s always possible. (But) I live in denial of death, much less the cancellati­on of The Simpsons.

Is there anything left on your Simpsons accomplish­ment list?

We need our own full theme park. We’ve got some rides and a Krusty Burger at Universal (parks), but we need a 600foot-tall statue of Homer at the centre of a (theme) park.

 ?? ETHAN MILLER/GETTY IMAGES FILE PHOTO ?? Matt Groening says the 1990 episode “Bart the Daredevil” confirmed The Simpsons was special.
ETHAN MILLER/GETTY IMAGES FILE PHOTO Matt Groening says the 1990 episode “Bart the Daredevil” confirmed The Simpsons was special.

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