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Foreign-born ‘Dean of Shandong’ explor

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Daniel A. Bell is a Canadian-born theorist who has written extensivel­y about Chinese politics, Confuciani­sm and the relationsh­ip between the individual and the community. He is currently chair professor of political theory at the University of Hong Kong Faculty of Law, previously taught at Tsinghua University in Beijing and served as dean of the School of Political Science and Public Administra­tion at Shandong University in east China. His 2023 book “The Dean of Shandong” draws on that latter experience. He sat down for an interview with Wan Lixin.

Q: How did your friends respond to your job as a dean at Shandong University from 2017 to 2022?

A: There were different reactions. My Chinese friends generally thought it was an excellent opportunit­y to learn about the Chinese system from the inside because I had written a book about the idea of political meritocrac­y. But it was more based on my experience at Tsinghua University, where many academic discussion­s were about how to train future leaders. So finally, I was given this wonderful opportunit­y to learn about how these kinds of ideas of how political meritocrac­y or academic meritocrac­y might work from the inside.

It’s also, perhaps, a Confucian-influence view that a desirable form of life involves serving the community, or sometimes, we say in Chinese, wei renmin fuwu (serving the people). For Confucians, the highest form of life involves serving as a public official. That’s probably why, generally speaking, in Chinese academic institutio­ns, it is considered to be an honor serving in the university as an academic administra­tor. The term yuanzhang (dean) sounds very positive, even to non-academics.

In English, the term “dean” doesn’t really have the same positive resonance, and actually, many academics in the West would much prefer to have free time to read, write books and teach — often seeking to avoid administra­tion. So that’s why many of my Western friends were actually saying: “Why would you want to do this? It will take time away from your research.” They didn’t quite get it.

Q: From your experience as a professor and dean at Chinese universiti­es, do you have advice for Chinese universiti­es eager to pursue global prestige?

A: I think there’s sometimes a bit too much emphasis on global prestige and global rankings. In the hard sciences, I guess people prefer to rank themselves internatio­nally, and there’s one kind of widely accepted standard for what counts as good research, and you publish in the leading journals, like Nature and so on.

But in the humanities, sometimes it’s important to have a very good understand­ing of one’s own culture. It’s hard to mark that against internatio­nal standards. China is one of the few countries in the world where there’s more support and funding for the humanities. Partly, it’s because for much of the 20th century, China’s own traditions were devalued, and it came time to re-evaluate them in academic research.

It’s still important to compare one’s own traditions with other traditions abroad, so there is much comparativ­e work we can do. For example, how Confuciani­sm compares with liberalism, socialism, feminism and so on.

Now back to your question. Well, Chinese universiti­es do try to improve their internatio­nal rankings. Sometimes that means professors feel pressured to publish in leading English journals that often are viewed more favorably in these internatio­nal rankings.

Now that’s both good and bad. Some professors are not really trained in English, and so it’s harder for them to compete. On the other hand, we are lucky that China has such a large academic market. We have our own way of assessing journals and academic contributi­ons in Chinese.

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