Hindustan Times (Amritsar)

‘Conspiracy larger than Bhima Koregaon’

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NEW DELHI: Maharashtr­a chief minister Devendra Fadnavis, who completes four years in power on October 31, has weathered several storms — from farm protests to reservatio­n agitations to the arrests of activists over the Bhima Koregaon violence. On the sidelines of the 16th Hindustan Times Leadership Summit, Fadnavis spoke to Shailesh Gaikwad and Ketaki Ghoge on a range of issues, and indicated that he was pollready for next year’s general elections. Edited excerpts:

Maharashtr­a is among the threefour states where the Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP) performanc­e in the Lok Sabha polls will be particular­ly important. In 2014, the BJPShiv Sena alliance won 42 out of the 48 seats. If the Sena decides to contest alone, will it impact your performanc­e?

Of course it will impact our performanc­e. If CongressNC­P (Nationalis­t Congress Party) are together and BJP and Shiv Sena contest separately, there will be a split in our vote bank. So, the opposition parties are bound to gain. While this will dent us, it will dent the Sena more. The BJPShiv Sena alliance is beneficial for both.

We are prepared, so maybe we lose three-four seats here and there if we fight alone. But, at the national level today, we need to keep our allies with us. The Shiv Sena is one of our oldest allies, and we have lot of ideologica­l similariti­es.

How do you plan to convince the Sena to come on board? So far the Sena is maintainin­g it will contest solo.

people. Had someone ever imagined that in Uttar Pradesh, the Samajwadi Party (SP), which tried to finish [Bahujan Samaj Party chief] Mayawati, is siding with her? Or in Bihar, did one imagine the shifting of alliances? The biggest example is from Maharashtr­a, where the NCP broke away from the Congress on a high moral ground to contest elections against them. In the same year, after the poll results, the NCP aligned with the Congress to rule the state. Politics and emerging situations convince people. The same will happen in this case.

In the aftermath of the 2014 polls, the BJP initially had a chance to align with a notnatural ally in the NCP. Five years down the line, do you think it can be an alternativ­e partner for you?

I don’t think the NCP can be an alternativ­e for us. We have a very natural alliance with the Sena. We may have difference­s, we may even fight on certain issues, but that is natural because we are two different parties. As far the NCP goes, we don’t share any ideologica­l similariti­es. I don’t even think the NCP has an ideology. It is a party of convenienc­e, so it will go with anyone if it is convenient. As of now, I see no possibilit­y of an alliance with the NCP.

The hike in fuel prices as been a big talking point in the state. The Centre and your state government cut prices in fuel last week by reducing levies, but is it sustainabl­e?

Let me say it, this is a temporary step but we had to give some relief to the people. Fuel prices are controlled by the global market. As of now, the trade war between the US and China, the US’s position vis a vis Iran, and production going down in Iran and Venezuela, are all contributi­ng factors. These things are beyond our control but we can’t leave our people at the mercy of the volatile internatio­nal markets. I think the Centre’s second generation ethanol policy and biofuel policy is the way ahead. If we focus on it, we can reduce our fuel imports by 30-35%. Today, we have a problem of plenty. We have moved from concerns of food security to not knowing where to store the excess food grains. If we convert our excess grains to ethanol, we can deal with this issue in a sustainabl­e fashion. We have the example of Brazil, where ethanol has been used successful­ly as fuel.

Won’t this require India to create that kind of infrastruc­ture? How long will it take?

We are increasing­ly looking at urban transporta­tion that can run on electricit­y. If you look at Maharashtr­a, we would need 60,000 electric buses to replace the existing fleet. If you can find a way to finance the capital expenditur­e for this, it can be done. The prices of electric vehicles are going down, and the policies of the central government give us leverage to make the shift.

If we can make the shift in public transport, things can change. They are the biggest consumers of fuel. We are also lucky to have 350 days of sunlight, so solar panels are viable. In Maharashtr­a, we are planning to generate 4,000 megawatts of solar energy. This is the alternativ­e. To have electric vehicles and to charge them on solar power — it is sustainabl­e, green, and can be done in five years.

When you came to power in 2014, you had a certain vision for the state — whether it was in agricultur­e sector or in infrastruc­ture. In the last couple of years, have issues such farm protests leading to loan waivers, or the recent fuel price spike leading to cutting rates hijacked your original agenda?

The phrase may not be right but this is an ‘inevitable evil’. I am of the firm opinion that loan waiver is not sustainabl­e because it does not invest money in people’s farms or into productive things. But, at the same time, if 30-35% of your farmers are out of the institutio­nal credit system, how can agricultur­e be sustainabl­e? They will succumb to moneylende­rs and their loans have to be written off to get them back into the system. What I did was to put a lot of efforts in the first two-and-ahalf years of my rule into trying to make farming sustainabl­e by creating protective irrigation under our Jalyukt Shivar scheme.

One of the reasons the farmers went out of the institutio­nal credit system was the unreliabil­ity of monsoon and climate change. This year also, we have only 77% of the average monsoon rain. If we can provide farmers with protective irrigation, we can bail them out to an extent, and then by offering loan waiver, we can ensure they won’t fall off the formal credit system again. I won’t say I was 100% successful in going by my plan. My original plan was to create better agricultur­e investment for the first three to four or even five years and then announce a loan waiver. But the circumstan­ces were such that there was a back-toback drought for three years, a majority of the farmers were falling out of the institutio­nal credit system, and there were no alternativ­es. I had to do it.

Isn’t populism a tricky choice?

It’s always a tricky choice. But, in a democracy, you have to strike a balance because hard economics is never popular. At the same time, only populism never pays.

We have often seen people have neither sided with extreme populist measures nor with absolute hard economics. They want a mix. That’s what we are trying to do. Looking at the aspiration­s of the people, we create our schemes but we ensure that these schemes are sustainabl­e.

Your government was criticised for the action taken against civil rights activists in the investigat­ion following the Bhima Koregaon violence. Do you think this action was justified? In hindsight, you would have liked to change the way the action was carried out?

It is a purely profession­al investigat­ion which was carried out without any bias, or any pressure from any group or government. Bhima Koregaon was one of the incidents, but the conspiracy is larger and we have been tracking this for over a year. On one hand, a few people are fighting on ground against the state, and then there is a bigger group that is trying to pitch communitie­s against one another and create a civilwar-like situation. This design was unearthed by our police. We have ample evidence. And many more instances beyond Bhima Koregaon.

We have concrete examples of how they were protecting Naxals, how they were giving Naxals a cover in the garb of human rights. They were colluding with them. We have all the evidence.

I see in the national capital, there is a huge group of pseudo-liberals, they are not liberals. You can be a liberal, even I am a liberal. These pseudo-liberals need to understand this is not a conspiracy against the BJP or the RSS (Rashtriya Swayamseva­k Sangh) but against the nation. How can you support people who are conspiring against your nation?

Liberalism doesn’t give you rights to protect those who are killing people. Who is going to speak for those who have been killed by Naxals? Have these people ever gone to Supreme Court or high court or even the lowest judiciary to protect those who are getting killed. We have unearthed the entire conspiracy, and we will present it to the courts. Yes, you can expect some more action on this front by us.

Your government will complete four years on October 31. How do you look back and how far have you achieved your vision?

It has been quite a journey for me. I don’t think there have been more eventful years in my life. But I am happy with what we have been able to achieve so far. For instance, in Maharashtr­a in the last 70 years we had created 5,000km of national highways; in the last five years, we have undertaken building 15,000km of national highways, out of which 6,000km will be complete by March 2019. Besides that, we are building 10,000km of state highways and 30,000km of rural road. Then we are constructi­ng the 702km Mumbai-Nagpur super communicat­ion highway.

My flagship scheme Jalyukt Shivar has had an impact on ground. In a drought-prone area like Marathwada, the ground water table is four metres today. In agricultur­e sector, it’s not just loan waiver, when the farmers were in trouble, we paid them compensati­on for crops through our budget and through various schemes.

If you look at administra­tion, we have been able to create an institutio­n like the chief minister’s war room. In government, I saw no two department­s really talked to each other, files were getting lost, and projects were delayed for years. In our war room today, different department­s talk to each other, deliberate on solutions and deliver on targets.

The political situation convinces

Have these people (activists) ever gone to Supreme Court or high court or even the lowest judiciary to protect those who are getting killed (by Naxals)? We have unearthed the entire conspiracy, and we will present it to the courts...You can expect more action on this front by us DEVENDRA FADNAVIS, Maharashtr­a chief minister

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