‘There was no vandalism... we should have underplayed Tripura statue fall ’

STATING STANCE Says private players had set up the statue and they only decided to remove it; BJP aims to gain big in NE during LS elections

NEWDELHI: The Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP) general secretary incharge of the north-eastern states, Ram Madhav has played a key role in the electoral success and expansion of the party in the region. The former functionary of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) is an important channel between the Sangh and the party. Also the BJP’S key man on Kashmir affairs and a political interlocutor with major foreign powers and neighbouring countries, he spoke to HT on a wide range of issues. Edited excerpts from the interview: time. And finally, the right strategy and tactics. I don’t agree with this. It is too simplistic an analysis of a very complex political situation. Congress was in power at the Centre for 10 consecutive years. Yet it did not win power in either Nagaland or Tripura. So to say having Delhi automatically translates into a victory in these parts is just wrong. Even when we were in power earlier, we were not able to make any inroads into this region. As far as resources and campaign are concerned, we are a political party. Our main task is to contest and win elections. We are not a charity. And in this process, we will use every democratic method at our disposal to succeed. We won two seats and came second in another seven seats. We have about 10-11% of the vote which is sizeable. But we still have to do more organisational expansion. The political dynamics were different—we did not have an alliance partner. The Congress waged a massive communal campaign to paint us as anti-christian. We will do a detailed review soon. Meghalaya rejected the Congress. That is the main message of the election. They came down from 29 to 20 seats. That is why, along with like-minded parties, we provided an alternative. Let’s first get the facts right. There was no — I repeat no — vandalism in Tripura. The statue was put up by private individuals. They decided to remove it. They got a JCB machine to do it. If you see the picture too, it was pulled down, not vandalised. There is no complaint, no FIR, no arrest. It is like removing a photograph in my house if I change my mind. But the repercussions were unwholesome in other parts of the country. The real vandalism happened elsewhere.

We should have underplayed it. When I saw there was scope for misunderstanding, I removed the tweet. BJP shall not support or sponsor vandalism of any sort. We have eight of the 25 seats at the moment. Along with our allies, we have 10. The situation is very conducive in all these states and we have governments in six of the seven states. We will be aiming for the maximum possible in 2019.

Definitely. Mizoram goes to polls at the end of the year and we will try to form the government there. Of course. There must be no civilian killings in any part of the country. But we must remember that the army is walking on a razor’s edge in Kashmir. They exercise restraint but certain incidents may take place. It is difficult to judge sitting in Delhi. We must give the benefit of doubt to the army, which is not there for any selfish reasons but to ensure safety and security. This debate is as old as stone-pelting itself. What we need to ensure is that the state is peaceful and stonepelting stops. And we have been able to substantially reduce such incidents, except in a few pockets of south Kashmir. Before the next elections, the Sangh will have another meeting in March next year. It is a mistake to see it from the political lens. The Sangh meet is on organisational, ideological and national issues. It is significant because, once in three years, there is a decision on the Sarkaryavah (general secretary). And Bhaiyyaji Joshi has been re-elected. Bhayyaji is a senior and respected leader of the Sangh. However assumptions about his re-election lack understanding about the functioning of the organisation. The Sarkaryavah is the first among equals. But there are several other important functionaries. Decisionmaking takes time but happens in a collegial manner. To think that if so and so changes, the Sangh’s approach will change is a mistake. Differences do crop up on issues but there is a mechanism to address them. On issues like trade, economy, labour relations, the Sangh has organisations which have expertise and strong networks: their views are conveyed to party leaders and there is reasonably perfect coordination.