Hindustan Times (Lucknow)

2019 POLLS WILL BE ABOUT MODI VERSUS WHO, SAYS BADAL

Akali Dal patriarch feels a grand alliance of Oppn parties will show fissures sooner or later, but says the BJP should make more of an effort to win over minorities

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At 90, Parkash Singh Badal may have passed on the mantle of the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) to his son and heir-apparent Sukhbir Singh Badal, but the Akali patriarch remains the face and fulcrum of the regional party’s long-standing alliance with the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Politicall­y agile and astute as ever, the five-time Punjab chief minister spoke to ,in his native village Badal, on national politics, the 2019 Lok Sabha elections, the Modi factor, and minority outreach, among other issues. Edited excerpts:

Ramesh Vinayak How do you look at the national political scenario in the run up to next year’s Lok Sabha elections?

It is shaping up as a ‘National Democratic Alliance (NDA) versus Others’ scenario. Cobbling together an alliance of opposition parties will be easier said than done.

Even if a grand alliance happens, you will see contradict­ions and fissures surfacing sooner rather than later. At the end of the day, there are only two national parties: the BJP and the Congress. The others will weigh their options and see how they can have a bigger role in the next government. Politics is all about self-interest now. There are no principles.

What prospects do you see for the Narendra Modiled NDA?

Mr. Modi is working very hard. The Opposition has no leader yet to match him. People will judge a leader on whether he can handle and run the country. I’m sure the voter will give Modi-ji another five years, whether the BJP tally goes up or down. To his credit, the Prime Minister has elevated India both in the eyes of his countrymen and the world.

Will the BJP be able to repeat its performanc­e of the 2014 Lok Sabha elections?

One can’t predict that. But it’s certain that the BJP will be able to form the next government. There is still a lot of time to go. Politics is not a formula. It is all about groundswel­l. It is difficult to gauge the mood of the people. Look at how the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) unexpected­ly rode a wave in Punjab in 2014 and got four MPs who had nothing to do with politics. When there is a wave, no one looks at faces.

What’s your view on Congress president Rahul Gandhi?

I avoid criticisin­g others. But Rahul is immature. He may mature over time, but to think now that he will be the PM is unimaginab­le. Being Prime Minister is a big responsibi­lity and he is not up to the task yet. I don’t think people want to remove Modi to make way for Rahul. He has a long way to go. The Congress has shrunk and the Gandhi family’s charisma has faded. The Congress lacks leadership and can’t look beyond the Gandhis.

What are the key issues of the 2019 battle?

The foremost is who will be Prime Minister. A leader who can take the country forward -that’s the only issue that will matter. In that sense, it will be ‘Modi vs Who?’

Your party has been a founder partner of the NDA. What difference do you see between the NDA led by Atal Bihari Vajpayee and the one under Modi?

It remains a two-way friendship... ( laughs). I won’t comment further.

There has been a sense of unease among some NDA allies.

The BJP should take along those allies who have stood by it. Those Bombay wale (Shiv Sena) are still not clear (on continuing with the NDA). But the BJP’s maximum effort should be to stick with the old allies.

There is a sense in your party that because of its own majority, the BJP took the Akali Dal for granted and didn’t treat it fairly.

Our relations with the BJP are not transactio­nal. We are not with them to get posts of governor or positions of power. Ours is an alliance of hearts and minds. We have steadfastl­y been with the BJP since 1996 and will continue to do so.

What do you make of the Modi government’s negative perception among minorities an issue that the Opposition is trying to exploit?

I have always told the BJP leaders that you should take Muslims and Christians along. A government is supposed to reach out to all communitie­s. Where is our shortcomin­g? Why are they (Christians and Muslims) not coming along? Their (the BJP’s) view is that they don’t come to our fold. I say, if you show love, even animals can be won over. Once you form a government, you don’t belong to a community or a party, but to the entire country. You have to respect all religious and cultural diversitie­s.

Is there a sense of insecurity among Muslims, especially due to mob lynching of cattle traders?

Thodi si toh hai (There is a little).

How can the BJP dispel that?

It all depends on actions. You can’t say, ‘Oh! They are not going to vote for us’. A political party should continue its efforts to win over the confidence of all communitie­s. You have to take everybody along. In Punjab, the Akali Dal gave assembly tickets to 10 Hindus and many of them won. That strengthen­ed our communal harmony.

What about fears that the BJP may polarise the 2019 elections to get Hindu votes?

It will be difficult to succeed through this approach. Such a gamble works once in a while. You can’t run this country without secularism. Communal amity and inclusiven­ess are non-negotiable principles of our democracy.

In 2014 polls, the Akali Dal won only four of the 13 Lok Sabha constituen­cies in Punjab. The party’s political fortunes haven’t seen an upturn since.

We have to work a lot harder. We need to step up our communicat­ion and connect with the people.

What will the Akalis count on in 2019 — antiincumb­ency against the Amarinder Singh government or the Modi factor?

People are not satisfied with the Captain Amarinder Singh government. The Modi magic should work for us in Punjab. The key question is going to be: Who will be the next prime minister? Modi has no challenger. His diplomatic outreach, surgical strikes, and hike in minimum support price (MSP) of crops will work to the NDA’s advantage.

Will the MSP hike mitigate farmers’ distress, which is a potential poll issue?

It’s a positive step but the MSP hike alone doesn’t mean an end to farmers’ woes. The government must ensure that the crops are actually bought at the MSP so that farmers get the benefit. There is no one-shot solution to the farming crisis. There has to be a road map to raise farmers’ incomes through allied vocations and skilling.

How do you look at the Captain Amarinder Singh government’s performanc­e?

The chief minister is inaccessib­le. The communicat­ion gap between the government and people has never been so wide. The Congress promised a debt waiver for all farmers and jobs for each household. But it has failed to deliver. The time has come to enact a law to hold parties accountabl­e for what they promise in the manifestos. It has to be a legally binding document, not just a pamphlet of fake promises. This deception game must end.

Will the AAP be a challenger?

Not at all. Its game is up. Look at the way they are fighting with each other. There is no discipline. Whatever little support it still has will evaporate by the next elections.

Your senior party leader and Rajya Sabha member Sukhdev Singh Dhindsa has endorsed the call for legalising the sale of opium and other soft intoxicant­s to fight the hard drug menace. What is your view?

A couple of states permit the cultivatio­n of poppy. Cultivator­s produce more than the government-permitted quota and smuggle it into other states. There should be an allparty meeting to discuss this (allowing sale of opium). If the government can’t stop hard drugs, the next best thing is to minimise them.

Why are the Akalis apprehensi­ve about the two commission­s inquiring into false cases against Congress leaders and sacrilege issues during your tenure as chief minister?

This is a part of the Congress government’s politics of vendetta. The aim is to defame the Akalis. How can the Akali Dal, which has a history of being at the forefront of fighting for religious rights of the Sikhs, be blamed for the sacrilege of Guru Granth Sahib? We don’t expect a fair report.

What is the secret of your political longevity?

The confidence of the people. I have treated the party like my mother. Even while disagreein­g on critical issues such as the 1985 Rajiv-Longowal Accord (Punjab Accord), I remained a loyal soldier. Unfortunat­ely, politics today is all about power. In the good old days, when I started my career, social commitment was the dominant theme. Now it’s greed for power and money. NEW DELHI: After coming under flak from the Opposition parties for proposing amendments to the Right to Informatio­n (RTI) Act, the central government on Sunday invited applicatio­ns to fill vacant posts of Informatio­n Commission­ers in Central Informatio­n Commission (CIC).

At present, there are six informatio­n commission­ers in the CIC as against the sanctioned strength of 10. RK Mathur is the incumbent Chief Informatio­n Commission­er of India.

The advertisem­ent taken out by the ministry of personnel, public grievances and pensions states, “It is proposed to appoint informatio­n commission­ers in the CIC. Persons fulfilling the criteria and interested for appointmen­t to the post of informatio­n commission­ers may send their particular­s….” It adds, “The salary, allowances and other terms and conditions of service of the Informatio­n Commission­ers shall be as may be specified at the time of appointmen­t of the selected candidate/s.”

An applicatio­n for the post should be below 65 years, of eminence in public life with wide knowledge and experience in law, science and technology, social service, management, journalism, mass media or administra­tion and governance. The person should not be a Member of Parliament or of the Legislativ­e Assembly, or hold any office of profit or connected with any political party or carrying on any business or pursuing any profession.

RTI activists have accused the government of trying to dilute the Act with proposed amendments, according to which salaries, allowances and other terms and conditions of service of the CIC and the ICs along with the latter’s tenures “shall be such as may be prescribed by the Centre.”

It will be difficult to succeed through this approach (of polarisati­on). Such a gamble works once in a while. You can’t run this country without secularism. Communal amity and inclusiven­ess are nonnegotia­ble principles of our democracy.

THE CIC HAS AT PRESENT SIX INFORMATIO­N COMMISSION­ERS AS AGAINST SANCTIONED STRENGTH OF TEN

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