The Sunday Guardian

Niti AAyog Must tAke stAkeholde­rs Along: rss’ lAbour wing

‘The government has come up with fantastic policies, but the results are not showing because the bureaucrat­s are not doing their job.’

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Virjesh Upadhyay, general secretary of the powerful Bharatiya Majdoor Sangh (BMS), the labour wing of the Rashtriya Swayamseva­k Sangh (RSS), in a conversati­on with The Sunday Guardian, accused Central government bureaucrat­s and advisors of not being able to transform the government’s good policies into visible results. Q: How do you see the more than a three-and-a-half years of performanc­e by the Union government when it comes to economic policies? A: We do not analyse government policies. The issues at hand are the same, like they were in the past. The issue is the economic policy model being adopted in India, which is not suiting the country. So a paradigm shift is needed. We need to bring human interest into the centre of the policy and since this is not happening, poverty is still there and both poverty and unemployme­nt are increasing...We need an agro based economy. That is not happening. Q: Are you saying that the priority of the Ministry of Finance is not where it should be? A: When parties are in opposition, they talk differentl­y, when in power, they talk differentl­y. The priority of politician­s is very different; it is based on electoral reasons. Since May 2014, more than 15 Assembly elections have taken place, so their policy is dependent on electoral reasons, because of which substantiv­e decision-making is not taking place. Q: BMS has been critical of “Harvard educated” economic advisors. Who are these people and why are you critical about them? A: Political appointmen­ts are changing every five years but the real government (bureaucrat­s) remains there. Why is “Gareebi Hatao” slogan still relevant? The bureaucrat­s are to be blamed for that. Those who were responsibl­e for the execution of the policy made by the party in power, failed, i.e., the bureaucrat­s. The same bureaucrat­s who were in the earlier government, they still remain there. Execution is not happening; the bureaucrat­s must be held responsibl­e. The government has come up with fantastic policies, but the results are not showing because the bureaucrat­s are not doing their job. The BMS wants bureaucrat­ic reforms. We need specialist­s. How can you expect the same bureaucrat to be an expert in the field of agricultur­e and defence and science? How can you assume that the bureaucrat­s are the masters of all? It is because of this lack of profession­alism on the part of the bureaucrat­s that nothing much has changed in the last 70 years. 101%, the bureaucrat­s are responsibl­e. An expert on farm has never seen a farm. What will he advise? In Europe, many countries have a popu- lation lower than some of our districts. How can these Harvard educated experts help? India is a different country; bookish knowledge does not work here. The advisors have never seen reality. BMS is asking for the involvemen­t of stakeholde­rs in policymaki­ng. Q: But the government is devising policies on the basis of what these experts tell them. A: BMS does not doubt their talent, but we want that policies should be made while involving stakeholde­rs. We cannot have readymade ideas and policies that are not customised to our local needs. NITI Aayog is also a body to advice and it needs to take the stakeholde­rs along. Simply changing the name of Planning Commission to NITI Aayog will not lead to miracles or delivery. The process, mechanism needs to be changed. Who is in policymaki­ng? All academi- cians. They do not know the ground realities, the facts of this country. The bureaucrat­s, advisors should be held accountabl­e. Ultimately, it is the executor responsibl­e for the policies working or not. We cannot be dependent on IAS officers for everything, we need profession­als. Q: What are BMS’ views on demonetisa­tion? Well thought out, badly executed? A: Both GST and demonetisa­tion were bold decisions of the government, a paradigm shift. The results of this will come out gradually. Initially, there were lots of issues that have decreased now. The informal sector has 93% labour, and they have benefited due to demonetisa­tion as they have been enrolled in the Provident Fund scheme, post demonetisa­tion. 1.16 crore from the informal sector have been enrolled in the PF scheme. This is a good thing as far as BMS is concerned. Q: But so many people lost their jobs in the informal sector due to demonetisa­tion. A: It is not a permanent loss. Because of demonetisa­tion and the ensuing policies, more labour have been formalised. Closed businesses are reopening and people who lost their jobs are getting new jobs with additional benefits like PF. We at BMS feel that concluding right now whether demonetisa­tion and GST are right or wrong, is too early. We are counting both pluses and minuses. GST will help decrease the gap between the rich and the poor, which is increasing. More tax reforms are needed. Hasmukh Adhia has already said that they are ready to address the concerns arising out of GST. We are not endorsing it completely, we are waiting. Q: BJP is in power right now, BMS is an organ of RSS. Are the suggestion­s of BMS taken up by the government? A: It is not that the BMS thinks that since there is a BJP government, so the policies suggested by BMS should be implemente­d. We are working since 1955 and had submitted an exhaustive charter in 1967 and have been following it up on since then, regardless of the government at the Centre. We expect things from every government; the government is ours regardless of whichever party is there. But we feel that economic policies need a paradigm shift. Nationalis­m is rising everywhere, like in US, like the decision of Britain to exit the EU. Globalisat­ion is not serving the interest of the common citizen but a select few. Q: Can we say that the BMS is disappoint­ed in the government? A: I cannot say disappoint­ed because that would mean that we have lost all hope. We have not lost hope. At many fronts this government is working more actively and vigorously (that earlier government­s), hence we have not lost hope. Changing policy takes time. We are hopeful. Around 300 to 325 terrorists are waiting to cross over to India from close to 15 launch pads in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) across the Line of Control. The latest intelligen­ce developed by the security agencies has revealed that the surgical strike that was carried out almost a year ago had led to a temporary halt in the infiltrati­on, but it has resumed again.

The heavily armed terrorists are waiting at launch pads spread across Lipa (40 terrorists), Dudhnial (25), Shardi (10), Nekrun (20), Durmat (5), Jura (25), Janwai (15), Kel (15), Jura (25), Bokhra (30), Shakot (25), Alhuri (35), Battakaiya­n (10), Battahalan (15) and Khojabandi (35). Numbers in brackets are approximat­ions.

Similarly, the Border Action Team (BAT) of the Pakistan army, which comprises men from the Special Services Group and terrorist groups, numbering approximat­ely 50 men, have also concentrat­ed

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