The Borneo Post (Sabah)

Why the US economy has been too exciting

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NOT MANY people say their goal in life is to be boring. But that’s the case for John Williams, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, who is charged with overseeing the financial health of everything West of the Rockies.

Things in the economy have been far too exciting in the last decade, says Williams. And while he says the economy is generally on a strong track today, there are areas he’s watching closely – including the effect of government policies proposed by the Trump administra­tion.

While many have emphasised the potential boost to growth from tax cuts and other measures the administra­tion has discussed, Williams says other measures could pose a potential risk to growth, like trade restrictio­ns or cuts to Medicaid.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity. Q. President Donald Trump’s budget proposal released last week proposed pretty dramatic cuts to programmes that help the poor, including Medicaid. What would that mean for the US economy? A. First, I don’t know what will happen in fiscal policy. There are a lot of proposals, but what really matters is what Congress enacts and the president signs. Second, some of these proposals would boost growth in the short run- like more spending on defense. But other changes that have been talked about, including trade restrictio­ns, would have a negative effect in the short run.

Significan­t cuts in Medicaid or other programmes affect money in people’s pockets that gets spent pretty much dollar for dollar. So cutbacks in spending that go to lower-income people have the biggest effect on the short-run of the economy. It’s different for tax cuts, especially for wealthier people, because a lot of that money is saved rather than spent. It doesn’t make it right or wrong, I’m just saying in the short run that doesn’t boost the economy as much.

A lot of people were expecting that tax cuts and less regulation would boost the economy, but if you match it with spending cuts, in the short run the effect could actually be negative. It depends on how the mix works. And that’s why it matters what happens, not just what people are talking about.

In my view the economy is in a good place and we really shouldn’t be focused on boosting it in the short run. We should be focused on long run growth and prosperity. That means promoting investment­s in research, the sciences and education. What worries me is that we are underinves­ting in a lot of these areas. Q. One of the main measures the administra­tion has talked about to boost growth is cutting the corporate tax rate and encouragin­g companies to repatriate more earnings. Would that increase investment? A. I do believe our corporate tax system is far out of date. This whole repatriati­on issue is because our corporate tax system is not well designed for the modern world.

But one should be suitably humble that this should have a huge effect on investment. Research has shown that just lowering the tax rates or having a repatriati­on holiday is probably not going to have a big effect.

Most businesses are not paying that very high rate, and there are a lot of things that go into corporate investment decisions besides taxes. Companies are sitting on a lot of cash, so they’ve already chosen how much investment to do. We know from the past that if you allow companies to repatriate profits at a very low tax rate, they’re likely to hand it out in dividends and stock repurchase­s. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it doesn’t change incentives for businesses to invest in a new building or factory, for example. Q. The budget assumes growth of three per cent, something others have criticised and that the administra­tion has vigorously defended. Is that kind of growth achievable? A. It is twice as high as my estimate of trend growth, which is 1.5 per cent.

If you go back to history, you can look at when we had three per cent GDP growth over an extended period of time. One period was the 1980s, when a surge of people were entering the labour force, the Baby Boomer generation and women. That pushed the potential growth rate of the economy up. I don’t think we’re going to repeat that.

Then there were two periods when we had productivi­ty surges that allowed the economy to grow three per cent. One was the post-war period up to the early 70s.

The second was 1995 to 2004, where we had a huge tech boom and the growth of the internet. Our best research shows that there is not another surge of productivi­ty on the horizon, and labour force growth is slower, so it’s hard to see how you’re going to get really rapid growth for a 10-year period.

A better tax system and more investment in infrastruc­ture and education could boost our trend lines by a few tenths, but they’re not going to fundamenta­lly double the trend growth of the economy. Unless of course, around the corner a new technology fundamenta­lly changes the economy. Right now, a lot of the innovation is in consumer goods - our phones, YouTube. They’re cool, we love them, but they’re not fundamenta­lly changing the productivi­ty of businesses.

The last thing I would mention is that we’re seeing a slowdown in productivi­ty across Europe, North America and Japan, and demographi­c waves are affecting all these countries. If anything the US growing a little faster. So there are fundamenta­l forces that are basically affecting us all. Q. How would you describe the US economy now? Where are we with regard to full employment? A. I think we’ve now reached, maybe even exceeded, full employment. Many indicators have improved dramatical­ly in the last several years. The unemployme­nt rate was 4.4 per cent in April, well below most estimates of a normal rate. A Conference Board survey of whether people find it hard or easy to find a job is also at a very high level, consistent with a strong economy.

Two measures are still a little elevated. One is people who are working part-time but want full-time work. That’s come down a lot, and there is some debate about whether there has been a structural change in the economy over the last few decades, where more people are working part-time because they are moving into the service sector, where that is more common.

The other is wage growth, which is still in this 2.5 per cent to 2.75 per cent annual growth range. I don’t find that surprising, because inflation and productivi­ty growth have been low, so real wages have actually been growing consistent with a good economy. I would expect that wage growth picks up more in the next year or two, with unemployme­nt now below normal levels. Q. When I write about the monthly jobs numbers, one complaint I often hear is that a lot of jobs are being created but they aren’t very good ones. Do you agree with that? A. Research shows that most of the new jobs that are being created are in the service sector. That’s not surprising, because the US economy is now primarily a service-sector economy. But within those sectors, the mix of jobs is basically consistent with what we’ve seen in the past. There’s no shift to lower-quality jobs. I’ve been around long enough, I’ve heard this story that there aren’t good jobs for decades. It used to be hamburger flippers, now it’s baristas. Every generation has its version.

There are high quality jobs out there, but a lot of them are in areas like healthcare that require high levels of education or training. To me, it’s more an issue of supply than demand. In areas where the economy is doing well, there is a lot of demand for skilled workers, but a lot of people need more education. Q. Could some of these perception­s be due to regional variations? When you say the United States is a full employment economy, are there some parts that look more like that than others? A. Yes, and that’s always true. Anytime the unemployme­nt rate is below five per cent, some areas will still be struggling. Much of small town America has seen job loss and population loss, from people moving to urban areas. Certain sectors for decades have been losing jobs, like manufactur­ing or resource-dominant industries. Sometimes that’s because a sector has become more efficient, like manufactur­ing, so that it can produce more with fewer workers.

But the economists who have looked at whether these changes are more extreme today than 25 years ago generally find they’re not. Twenty-five years ago you would have heard a different story about which parts of the economy were struggling. Q. This might be kind of a funny question, but I’m extremely interested in the Fed– A. What’s wrong with that? That’s a sign of a healthy intellect. Q. – but someone to me the other day was like, the Fed is so boring, it’s basically plumbing, making sure the water is still running. What do you think about that? A. It’s actually a great question. Mervyn King of the Bank of England quipped that central banking should be boring. The point was, if the economy is doing well, if the financial system is working well, if the hot water and the cold water turn on, that’s success. My goal is to make this as boring as possible. It’s been too exciting the last ten years.

But we earn our pay also when we deal with when things don’t work well. The events that led up to the financial crisis and the housing bubble were areas that central banking is involved in. Clearly, it’s a lesson that not having the plumbing working can be devastatin­g, affecting millions and millions of people and trillions of dollars. On the flip side, once the recession hit, monetary policy is often the only game in town.

 ?? — WP-Bloombeg photo ?? A worker places maple lumber panels used to manufactur­e bowling pins into machinery at the QubicaAMF Bowling Worldwide facility in Lowville, New York.
— WP-Bloombeg photo A worker places maple lumber panels used to manufactur­e bowling pins into machinery at the QubicaAMF Bowling Worldwide facility in Lowville, New York.

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