Fired up over Covid, climate
A FIERY and personal exchange about climate change was the standout moment in an at times feisty election debate between Labour leader Jacinda Ardern and National leader Judith Collins last night.
When the farranging Newshub debate settled on climate the women exchanged heated words.
Ms Collins bristled at a comment from Ms Ardern that her take on the issue was outdated, saying ‘‘if you want to bring my age into it I am happy to talk about my experience.’’
Ms Ardern said she was not talking about age but ideology, ‘‘and your ideology is outdated’’.
The two also crossed swords over a potential climate change emergency declaration, Ms Ardern saying she would have made one but for National’s opposition.
Ms Ardern was more assertive than in the first televised debate, but so, too, was Ms Collins, who frequently talked over her opponent’s answers.
The Labour leader might have had cause to echo US President Donald Trump’s complaint from his debate earlier in the day that she, too, was debating the moderator.
While not as bad as the interruptionfest the US presidential debate descended into, Ms Collins was quick to get her point in edgeways, something not lost on Ms Ardern.
When at one point Ms Collins asked for a right of reply, Ms Ardern said ‘‘welcome to my world’’.
The Newshub debate covered more ground than the earlier Television New Zealand debate, but that meant some substantial and contentious topics received 20 seconds or less.
The greatest time was given to Covid19, where each leader was in almost total agreement in how each would handle a hypothetical outbreak of the disease in Christchurch on Christmas Eve.
Where the women differed was on border control.
Ms Collins reiterated National’s policy of a negative Covid19 test before anyone is able to fly to New Zealand, while Ms Ardern argued quarantine regulations needed to remain as people could still test negative, fly and then test positive after arrival.
Both agreed an elimination strategy was the right one, and were confident a Covid19 vaccine would be found.
The debate also traversed such topics as health, law and order, drugs — illegal and medicinal — climate change, education and the standoff at Ihumatao.
Both leaders will have been happy with this debate, but it was not a defining performance by either.
Ms Collins consolidated the gains made with her strong performance in the first debate, and by demonstrating a sharp sense of humour may well have won over a few unconvinced voters.
However, this felt more like nudging her campaign along in the right direction, rather than the kickstart National’s polling numbers suggest it needs if it is to win on October 17.
Ms Ardern was much stronger this time, standing up to Ms Collins from the outset and getting off more than a few sharp oneliners of her own.
However, she remains reliant on criticism of the performance of the previous National government and has yet to muster a convincing defence for Achilles heel subjects such as KiwiBuild.
A third debate may find a clear winner between the two leaders, but with early voting beginning this week that debate may come too late for Ms Collins.