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Dlamini evades questions at Sassa hearing

• Minister fails to answer questions in inquiry into social grants, especially about work streams that appeared to centralise power

- Genevieve Quintal Political Writer quintalg@buinessliv­e.co.za

Social Developmen­t Minister Bathabile Dlamini evaded questions about the controvers­ial South African Social Security Agency work streams on Monday, saying the determinat­ion that they had been appointed illegally was just “the view of someone” at the Treasury. Dlamini was being cross-examined during an inquiry into whether she should be held personally liable for the Sassa fiasco.

Social Developmen­t Minister Bathabile Dlamini evaded questions about the controvers­ial South African Social Security Agency (Sassa) work streams on Monday, saying the determinat­ion that they had been appointed illegally was just “the view of someone” at the Treasury.

Dlamini was being crossexami­ned during a Constituti­onal Court-mandated inquiry into whether she should be held personally liable for the Sassa fiasco that led to the agency having to extend an illegal contract with Cash Paymaster Services (CPS) for the administra­tion of social grants.

Geoff Budlender, for the Black Sash, focused on Dlamini’s agreement or not with the Treasury’s determinat­ion of noncomplia­nce with procedures when the work streams were appointed and what evidence existed that procuremen­t was urgent.

When asked if she agreed with the fact that there was no urgency, Dlamini responded by saying “this is a view by someone at Treasury”.

Budlender then asked the minister if she was saying that she knew better than a procuremen­t officer at the Treasury, to which she responded “well, that might be your view”.

The minister, who requested to testify in Zulu at the inquiry with an interprete­r, was then asked several times whether she agreed or disagreed with the determinat­ion.

After a back and forth between her and Budlender, Dlamini finally said she disagreed with the Treasury.

When pushed again, she said she disagreed “with the spirit” of the letter. “It is best for all people involved to respond because they know what processes they are following in procuremen­t,” Dlamini said through her interprete­r in relation to a letter sent to then Sassa CE Thokozani Magwaza in May 2017.

She said the deviation from normal procuremen­t processes requested by the agency was not approved.

The letter was sent by the Treasury’s chief director of supply chain management, governance, monitoring and compliance, Solly Tshitangan­o.

In July, Magwaza cancelled the contracts.

The inquiry, led by judge Bernard Ngoepe, is investigat­ing whether Dlamini sought the appointmen­t of individual­s to lead the work streams to report directly to her; details of the appointmen­ts in terms of when the individual­s were appointed, who they reported to and the details of the dates and contents of the report of the work streams to the minister; and why she did not disclose this informatio­n to the court.

The work streams allegedly operated parallel to Sassa’s standard functions and appeared to usurp the agency’s roles and responsibi­lities. Dlamini has denied this. She spent most of the first day’s proceeding­s going through her sworn statement.

Dlamini confirmed that she had directed Sassa to appoint the work streams and that they should report to her. But the work streams did not tell Sassa how to do its work.

It is said work stream leaders were appointed irregularl­y after first serving on an advisory panel to the minister in 2013. They advised on the establishm­ent of the work streams and were later appointed to head these.

Dlamini explained that some of the members of the advisory panel were hired to lead the work streams to ensure that there was “consistenc­y and institutio­nal memory”.

She said she had never been made aware that these teams were interferin­g in Sassa work or usurping its functions.

If she had been made aware, Dlamini said, she would have called a high-level meeting to deal with it.

Dlamini also denied that she and the work streams tried to derail Sassa from taking over the payment of social grants, in favour of CPS continuing with the contract.

She called on anyone with evidence of her alleged interferen­ce to come forward.

Magwaza, in an affidavit submitted to the Constituti­onal Court last year, accused Dlamini of lying about her role in the saga. The minister alleged that she only became aware that Sassa would be unable to take over the payment of social grants in October 2016 just a few months before the March 31 2017 deadline.

However, Magwaza alleged that she had been in control of the process since 2015.

Dlamini wrote to then Sassa CE Virginia Petersen in 2015, informing her about her decision to appoint work streams that would report directly to the minister so that she could “retain direct control of the implementa­tion process”.

He said the work streams were given a broad mandate to take over the implementa­tion of the project and that Sassa was instructed “not to interrupt them or delay them”.

Magwaza, and former social developmen­t director-general Zane Dangor, who also filed an affidavit in the Constituti­onal Court against Dlamini, will testify at the inquiry, which is set down until Friday.

 ??  ?? Bathabile Dlamini
Bathabile Dlamini
 ?? Ruvan Boshoff ?? Lost in translatio­n: Social Developmen­t Minister Bathabile Dlamini was asked by the inquiry into Sassa procedures why an illegal contract with CPS was extended. /
Ruvan Boshoff Lost in translatio­n: Social Developmen­t Minister Bathabile Dlamini was asked by the inquiry into Sassa procedures why an illegal contract with CPS was extended. /

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