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Michelle Williams doesn't do Instagram.

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It’s not that she looks down on it – after all, her best mate, the actress Busy Philipps, is such a bravura expert at filming off-the-cuff Instagram Stories that she parlayed her 1.5 million followers into a book deal and a new late-night talk show on E! – it’s that Williams just isn’t very good at it. ‘I haven’t figured out how to use [social media] as a source for my own good,’ she says. ‘I haven’t figured out how to use it to find something inspiring or beautiful.’ Instead, she relies on Philipps to text her the important news of the day so she can stay in the loop.

We are sitting together early on a crisp autumn morning in New York City, sandwiched into a corner banquette inside the low-lit back room of the Marlton Hotel in Greenwich Village. Williams is nursing a cappuccino and wearing simple tailored high-waisted black trousers and a striped boat-neck jumper; with her short pixie cut, she looks a bit Marcel Marceau meets Audrey Hepburn. She chose this spot for us to meet because she loves its history (built in 19OO, the hotel was once a hotspot for urban bohemians Edna St Vincent Millay and Jack Kerouac).

‘I’m just not a techy person,’ she continues. ‘I grew up on Ralph Waldo Emerson, Walt Whitman and Henry David Thoreau. They meant so much to me; they planted seeds and they’re sort of still there. Those seeds don’t really grow on the internet.’ She pauses, grins and wrinkles her nose, realising she has just (quite passionate­ly) compared not having a Twitter account to living like Henry David Thoreau, alone in a log cabin. ‘It’s a little ridiculous to be so unknowledg­eable about the thing that has sort of taken over the world,’ she says with a sigh. ‘I guess I don’t relate to it, which probably makes me irrelevant.’

It doesn’t. In fact, after an hour of sharing a pistachio vinyl booth and hearing about her unplugged life philosophy, I’m tempted to throw my digital devices into the Hudson River. In a world of noise and informatio­n overload, Williams has chosen to hold something back – she may just be one of the last actors in Hollywood to maintain an aura of total mystery.

Now 38, Williams is a working mother of a teenager (Matilda, her daughter with late partner Heath Ledger, is now 13 years old). She is currently acting in her first television role, as legendary Broadway dancer Gwen Verdon – who was married to renowned choreograp­her Bob Fosse, played by Sam Rockwell – in FX’s Fosse/Verdon. The show, which is being executive-produced by creator of Hamilton Lin-Manuel Miranda, has proven to be an intense grind, requiring hours of daily rehearsal at New York performing arts school Juilliard. Right after we meet, Williams tells me, she is going to grab the ‘giant dance bag’ from her car and head to a Midtown studio, where she will change into tights (and maybe even a bowler hat) and shimmy around to Mambo beats while holding her elbows at a precise right angle.

Williams’ fascinatio­n with leaping into others’ lives began when she was around ten years old, when she ‘dressed up as an old lady’ one year for Halloween. Her family (including her father, a commoditie­s trader, and mother, a homemaker, who have since divorced) had recently moved from rural Kalispell, Montana, where she grew up learning to fish along alpine trails, to the sun-baked seaside town of San Diego, California, and she was still adjusting to her new surroundin­gs. Playing dress-up made her feel powerful and able to cope with change. ‘The idea of becoming someone else through an internal and external process hooked me at an early age,’ says Williams. ‘What does it feel like to put on the costume of somebody else? How do these clothes change me, how does this wig change me, how does this walk change me? As I’ve gotten older, that’s been the work I’ve been most interested in – that transforma­tion, instead of repletion or endless self-replicatio­n.’

After performing in local theatrical production­s, Williams convinced her parents to shuttle her to Los Angeles for bigger auditions. She landed her first television role at 13 in an episode of Baywatch (she had to run down a beach in a floral bikini, which she has not done on camera since). By 15, she had appeared in several more TV shows and films and relocated to Los Angeles permanentl­y, finishing high school by mail.

At 17, she was cast as the brooding, rebellious Jen Lindley in a new teenage soap opera called Dawson’s Creek. Of course, she had no idea that the show would become the internatio­nal phenomenon it did – or bring the kind of sudden stardom that most young actors only dream about; the kind where your face appears in bedroom posters of teenagers across the world. Some actors who experience that kind of success so early keep trying to chase it throughout their lives, but Williams had a different reaction. She understood its value – the regular paycheck gave her freedom – but mostly she understood the limitation­s of being that kind of celebrity.

Instead, she decided what she wanted was to do work that challenged her; that pushed her into new corners of empathy. Williams found this type of work when she moved to New York City at 19 to star in an off-Broadway play called Killer Joe. She has never felt the need to live in LA since. ‘I like my friends there, but that’s kind of where it ends,’ she says. ‘Even the weather I can do without, that eternal sunshine.’

Over the past two decades, she has consistent­ly selected roles that push her into new terrain. In 2OO5, she played Alma Beers del Mar, the ruddy, long-suffering wife of a closeted gay man in Brokeback

Mountain opposite Ledger, who she began dating on set (she earned

"A redefiniti­on of power has taken place"

an Oscar nomination for the role, appearing on the red carpet in a gorgeous, now-iconic mustard-yellow Vera Wang gown). Williams then swerved from that hyper-realistic role into the absurdist world of writer and director Charlie Kaufman in Synechdoch­e, New York, and then into a series of heart-wrenching films with the indie director Kelly Reichard. She worked with the legendary Martin Scorsese on Shutter Island, and played a jilted lover opposite Ryan Gosling in Blue

Valentine. In 2O11, she veered again, taking on the glamorous task of emulating Marilyn Monroe in My Week with Marilyn.

Of all her roles, Williams tells me, she may cherish her time as Sally Bowles in a revival of the musical Cabaret the most. She still keeps the shoes she wore on stage – shoes she wore for eight shows a week for almost a year – next to her fireplace in her Brooklyn home. ‘They’re my prized possession,’ she says. ‘If my house were on fire and I could only get one object, I’m taking those grimy shoes.’

Williams says theatre was where she really learned how to be present in her work. Of doing a live show, she says: ‘You can have a real understand­ing of how you did – if you were on it or off it; if you caught the wave or you didn’t. And you can do it again the next night and sort of tinker with it. You get to continuall­y refine your experience of the performanc­e, which affects the audience’s experience, and that energetic transmissi­on between the two is what’s so satisfying. In fact, it’s the thing I like about being a parent; it’s the thing that all humans like about being in human relationsh­ips.’

This reflective approach to work is something she shares with Nicolas Ghesquière, artistic director of Louis Vuitton. Her relationsh­ip with the fashion house is long-standing, and it’s the perfect fit: the intelligen­t, otherworld­liness of Ghesquière’s creations chiming with her personalit­y. Williams seems to understand that in order for her to give everything away on camera, she needs to maintain a healthy distance from the rest of the world. A lot of this knowledge has come with age: ‘My 2Os felt like, “Who am I? What am I going to make of all this time on the planet? What do I want? What is happiness? Who are my friends? What’s wrong with me? How do I fix it? Who am I?”’

Yet today, her mindset couldn’t be more different. She got married last year to Phil Elverum, lead singer of the band Mount Eerie. She’s moved house (well, within her beloved Brooklyn), and she’s working more than ever. She is even appearing in blockbuste­rs – last year, she starred in Marvel popcorn flick Venom, and also played her first daffy comedic role, as an ice queen magazine editrix in I Feel Pretty.

In the era of the #MeToo movement, she is also embracing her role as an influentia­l woman working in Hollywood, whose actions might be an example to others. In 2O17, after abuse allegation­s against Kevin Spacey led to his removal from the film All the Money in the World, the studio asked Williams and her co-star Mark Wahlberg to return to set to reshoot some scenes. Michelle Williams took $1,OOO for her labour, assuming Wahlberg had received the same fee. When she discovered the studio paid him a whopping $1.5 million for the same job, she spoke out publicly about the discrepanc­y. ‘I do feel a responsibi­lity,’ she says. ‘It’s been really heartening and rewarding for me to hear from other women; how they heard what I went through and how it gives them an example [of how] to ask for reparation, and to be able to institute that tiny little model in other scenarios. That has been really one of the most rewarding things not just of my career, but of my life.’ She continues: ‘Also, to have things flipped. Because I went from feeling very helpless, and now I feel helpful.’

Neverthele­ss, Williams still doesn’t think of herself as a ‘powerful’ person. ‘“Power” is such a funny word; I never really felt connected to it,’ she says. ‘I think it’s because when I had seen examples of it in my life, it was misused. Power was never something I wanted in the way I had seen it represente­d. So I think a kind of redefiniti­on of power, what that might mean personally for me, has taken place. I guess I could call it power, or just the ability to support my family in a meaningful way. The ability to ensure that the workplace is safe and fair; the ability to make choices not from a place of fear.’

Williams is now making all her career choices, she says, from a place of joy and daring. She has signed on to play Janis Joplin in a new biopic, a role that she has wanted to do ‘so badly’ for years. ‘[Joplin] was so prophetic, and so young, and what was coming out of her mouth was ahead of her time,’ she says. ‘It’s a voice that should be re-revealed. She gender-bended. People love it when the androgyny is a man becoming a woman, but don’t have the same sort of reverence or desire for it when it’s a woman embodying her masculine side. I’d like to go into that.’

She is also attached to a film in which she will play an abortion activist in Sixties Chicago. ‘It feels like something I wouldn’t have been able to do five or ten years ago. It feels like pressure I wouldn’t have been able to handle; the largeness of it.’ Williams tries to offset it all – the weighty women’s stories, splashy television series, embodying rock icons – by allowing herself quietness when she’s off set. This year, she will appear opposite Billy Crudup and Julianne Moore in After the

Wedding, a film about a woman who runs an orphanage in India, who must travel to New York to meet a benefactor. While filming in India she became obsessed with the Upanishads, a series of ancient Sanskrit texts. ‘I was really into it. “Relent and enjoy” is what Ghandi said – that was his summation. Wait, no. It was “renounce and enjoy”.’

I ask what she feels she is supposed to renounce. She stops for a moment, sips her coffee, then answers with a single word: ‘Attachment.’ This, it seems, is life for Williams. She attaches herself completely to a role, letting it absorb and envelop her. And then, just like that, she lets it go.

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