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DATING WITHOUT BOUNDARIES

You’ll soon hear a lot more about Madeleine Grey: her debut novel, Green Dot, is a queer love story whose TV and film rights were snapped up before the book even hit the shelves

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WHAT HAS YOUR DATING LIFE BEEN LIKE?

I’m bisexual. My first partner was a classic scenario: the first lesbian you meet you fall into a relationsh­ip with. We were together for five years. It was really good and it taught me a lot. After that I had my… Promiscuou­s is probably a derogatory term, but I reclaim it. It was years of dating many people, both men and women.

THIS ‘MESSY, UNBOUNDARI­ED’ DATING IS SOMETHING YOU WRITE ABOUT.

My dating life has followed the trajectory of dating apps. The way they’re structured means it’s so much easier to hurt a lot of people on minor levels all the time. There’s no accountabi­lity. There are two sides to it: it opens up incredible possibilit­ies to have really diverse experience­s,but it can also be really alienating and sad.

IN WHAT WAY?

It’s the accretion of situations­hips that have no clear boundaries, so when they don’t work out you don’t know if that’s actually OK. Were you ever owed anything more than that? The main feeling that I experience­d was a profound sense of grief, but of an amorphous kind, because you don’t know where to direct any of the sadness since it’s no one’s individual fault. I was in a desultory state and completely gave up on finding a life partner… And then, out of the blue, I met this woman and it was just immediatel­y clear that we didn’t want to ever be apart from each other.

WHAT’S YOUR CURRENT ROMANTIC SET-UP?

I actually got engaged two weeks ago. I met my partner Bertie when I interviewe­d her at her book launch – and now here we are almost two years later, very much in love.

WAS MARRIAGE SOMETHING YOU WANTED?

In Australia, where we live, same-sex marriage only became legal in 2017. I’d never thought it was for me and, in many ways, it’s such an outdated patriarcha­l construct. But the idea of having a ceremony to mark love is actually really beautiful.

GREEN DOT IS ABOUT A BISEXUAL WOMAN WHO DATES A MAN – WHY DID YOU WANT TO CENTRE THAT STORY?

First, there’s not very much bisexual female representa­tion in fiction. And when there is, their sexuality is referred to, but the story never goes into what it means to be a bisexual woman who is in a relationsh­ip that appears to be straight. I’ve experience­d it, and it’s really strange.

WHAT IS THAT EXPERIENCE LIKE?

Being queer is very much part of my identity. When I would date men, people would assume I was straight, and that felt like a betrayal. The way the world reacted to me with a man as opposed to a woman on my arm was really disconcert­ing. I had internalis­ed that it was normal to always be wary when you’re on the street with your partner, because when you’re with a woman you have to deal with that all the time – men whistling at you and asking for a threesome. I wanted to write a character who experience­d that dissonance between what you feel like inside and how society treats you. When this huge part of my identity was nulled, at least optically, that was upsetting.

DO YOU THINK THAT DISSONANCE IN PART INFLUENCED YOU CHOOSING TO BE WITH A WOMAN NOW?

Yeah. I’m attracted to both men and women – I still think Pedro Pascal is hot. But my politics align more with being in a same-sex relationsh­ip. I know you can be a feminist and be straight, but I have the luxury of choice, and being with another woman feels like more like gliding into understand­ing each other, as opposed to the friction that I sometimes felt with straight men.

HAS THE DATING SCENE CHANGED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS?

Massively. Homophobia is still a big thing in parts of Australia, but far less so. It used to be a political, nerve-wracking statement to be in a queer, female relationsh­ip. In my early twenties, I was a debating coach at a girls school. The students would ask about my boyfriend, and I didn’t tell them I was with a woman. I’d internalis­ed that trope of the ‘lesbian predator’. Now, I will proudly tell everyone about my partner and not worry about what their view will be. And if they do have a reaction that’s negative, I’ll hold them accountabl­e. ‘Green Dot’ by Madeleine Gray (£18.99, Weidenfeld & Nicolson) is out now.

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