If you haven’t brushed up on your CPR you should, because it saved my life
Better Call Saul star Bob Odenkirk tells HANNAH STEPHENSON about how his perspective on life has changed since having a heart attack last year
ACTOR, comedian, writer and action hero Bob Odenkirk is well aware of how lucky he is to be alive, thanks to the medics who gave him CPR following a heart attack while filming Better Call Saul.
Bob, 59, who first appeared in Breaking Bad as shifty lawyer Saul Goodman and later became the star of its spin-off show, collapsed when he was filming the sixth and final season in New Mexico.
“It happened in July last year,” he recalls, the event indelibly stamped on his brain. “We’d been shooting all day long and I went off to sit with my castmates Rhea Seehorn and Patrick Fabian.
“We were just reading and talking and stuff, and I was going to play a baseball game on a little TV I have. I just went down on a knee and then went all the way down. I turned grey right away. I stopped breathing. It would have been death if someone hadn’t been there very quickly.
“They [the medics] started CPR – and if you haven’t brushed up on your CPR you should, because it saved my life. It saved my brain and my body, because it kept oxygenated blood going through me.”
He says he’s now completely back to normal, although it took him a couple of months to recover – and he takes medication every day.
“I feel great now. I had little ridges of plaque in my artery. If you’re over 50, go get a check-up,” he says.
Bob had spent the best part of the previous two years training at the gym for the 2021 action movie Nobody, which he suggests helped his body recover.
“It’s changing my perspective. In a weird way, I was not included in the experience, because I didn’t have any memory of it for two or three weeks afterwards. It’s impacted me over time,” he reflects.
“I still think about it every day – and certainly every night, I lay in bed listening to my heartbeat.”
He says it’s making him consider “the time I have left”.
Bob is still super busy, but spending time with his family – Naomi, his wife of 23 years, and their children Nate, 23, and Erin, 21 – has become a priority.
“I’m almost 60 and you think, ‘What if I dialled it down? What would that look like, and could I do it?’
“A lot of people think that’s easy to do, but I don’t think it is. If you’ve worked hard to keep things going for years, it’s hard to slow down that train of thought and effort.
“But I am going to do it. I do think it’s important to try to have some space in my life to have perspective, and spend time with the people I love.”
He says he values life so much more now. “When you’re young, you live like you’re never going to die, and when you have an incident like this, you start to think how can I really engage with life?”
The heart attack came after he’d finished writing his memoir – Comedy, Comedy, Comedy, Drama – charting his childhood and early years on the comedy circuit in Chicago, through to the success he achieved in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.
At times it’s been an uphill struggle. As one of seven children, he had a difficult relationship with his father Wally, an angry character who made business forms for a living.
“He wasn’t around much, and he was shut down emotionally,” he says. “I don’t think he wanted kids at all – and he had seven. He didn’t have any interest in children.
“I don’t know what was going on in his mind. Maybe he had some challenges that weren’t understood at the time. I judge him harshly, because I think if you bring kids into the world, you should at least make a mild effort to spend time with them.”
He says his Catholic mother Barbara was a rock, and as a 15-yearold he was delighted when his parents separated.
Bob’s father died when was 22, and saying goodbye to him was “a shrugging affair”, he writes.
“I wanted it to be more than that,” he recalls today. “I got to spend time with him in the last few months before he passed away, and I wanted to make a connection and even learn about who he was, but I found it to be an unbridgeable gap, mostly because he seemed to have absolutely no interest in the family.”
His legacy has left a lasting effect on Bob, who now lives in Hollywood.
“I think it was what made me anti-authoritarian, and the kind of person who goes into comedy to kick back and make fun of adults and how they behave and go about life,” he muses.
“My favourite comedy has a little anger in it, and I think that came from my family – but also a lot of love. We were a large family, who loved and cared for each other and still do, we still have a lot of laughs together.”
His early career in the “comedy trenches” of Chicago in the earlyEighties, inspired by the likes of Monty Python and his comic idols John Belushi, Bill Murray and Dan Aykroyd, saw him writing and performing conceptual and improv skits at comedy clubs and becoming a cast member of The Ben Stiller Show.
But his profile rocketed when he clinched the role of shady lawyer Saul Goodman in the hit series Breaking Bad, starring Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul.
“I was older, around 45, when I was in Breaking Bad. The show wasn’t a hit until the fourth season – and then it became a crazy, huge, massive hit. When you get that kind of fame as an older person, it’s very good, because you appreciate it and are more able to separate out what the fame is for, versus what it feels like.
“It very much feels like you are beloved by people, but the truth is the project you’re in is what people love. You are just part of it.”
Working with Bryan was an “immediate lesson in acting”, he says.
“The gravity of his presence and his ability to focus his energy is something that, if you are paying attention to it, really leads you on.
“I’ve always learned better from being up close with people who are doing great work.”
He was going to turn down the spin-off Better Call Saul – until his children persuaded him to do it.
“Once they decided to shoot the show in Albuquerque, in the same place they shot Breaking Bad, I felt I couldn’t leave my family.
“My kids were 13 and 15 at the time, and there was still a lot going on at our house. But both my kids came to me and said, ‘You should do that show, and we’ll help out at home’, which they did.”
Although season six – which is on Netflix now – has been declared the last, Bob says he wouldn’t be disappointed if there wasn’t another series. “But, he adds, “I’d be very happy if there was more”.
FLAMEHAIRED singer Toyah Wilcox was a Top Of The Pops regular throughout the 1980s.
“Top Of The Pops was an event, every time,” she says. “It’s a show I used to watch with my family and to actually be on it was an honour. On my first appearance, my costume didn’t arrive and I had to wear a dress I bought as a back-up. It was the first time I’d worn a dress as a singer. Ironically I think it made me more approachable to the Top Of The Pops audience, less confrontational image-wise.
“I worked and I worked and I worked and I worked – there was no time for celebration.
A hit meant more work and more work; the management kept us going 24/7. The excitement knowing I was at number four in the charts with Four From Toyah/ It’s A Mystery was immense. That alone was a celebration. I’d toured five years solidly for that success so, when it came, I kept working.”
Toyah is among the 80s music stars coming out to play this summer as Let’s Rock stages 14 oneday festivals across the country. She says she has plenty of souvenirs from the decade. “I have warehouses full of every costume, every photo shoot, every acting costume I have ever worn. They are my life, a life I am immensely proud of.”
Fellow singer Sonia laughs: “I kept a huge mobile phone from the 80s
– it’s like a brick. I also kept all my early costumes from when I was 18.” Liverpudlian Sonia topped the UK charts in 1989 with You’ll Never Stop Me Loving You.
When he looks back at the Eighties, Level 42’s Mark King remembers the band’s TOTP debut. “When we got our first appearance in 1981 my mum and dad sent us a telegram wishing us luck. A telegram! Ha ha ha.
“When Lessons In Love went to number one in Germany, Boon Gould and I shared a very cold beer in a hotel bar in Viareggio, Italy. Happy days indeed.”
OMD’s Andy McCluskey says: “I have all my gold and platinum albums and my press cuttings. I am a sentimental old fella.”
He and fellow band member Paul Humphreys enjoyed chart success with Enola Gay and Maid Of Orleans and Andy remembers their first hit, Messages.
“Neither Paul Humphreys nor I had telephones in our parents’ houses where we were still living in early 1980. I remember going to the local phone box (now an OMD museum) and calling our manager to get the chart position of our single Messages. He told me that it was number 13 – our first top 20 hit. I started to run to Paul’s house, but he was on the way to the phone box. We met up on the corner outside the old sweet shop that we used to go to as kids and we were jumping up and down like small children, shouting at each other that we had a hit.”
ABC’s Martin Fry still owns the distinctive gold lamé suit he wore in the 1980s and says he remembers leaping in the air and celebrating with a pint of Boddingtons when the group’s single Poison Arrow got to number one.
“When I go to Soho House in White City, in the old BBC building, I get the occasional Top Of The Pops flashback,” he says. “Memories are many... nodding to David Bowie in the corridor before the show rates pretty high, as does mixing with the cast from Tenko around the vending machines.”
Ska singer Pauline Black of The Selecter remembers when The Selecter, The Specials and Madness were all on Top Of The Pops together. “It was a 2 Tone takeover. A memorable moment for a small label.
“We kept loads of memorabilia, hats, photos, scarves, badges, vinyl pressings, which all came in very useful when the Herbert Art Gallery & Museum in Coventry had a 2 Tone retrospective exhibition, which
thousands of people attended, during the celebrations for Coventry City Of Culture 2021.”
Jaki Graham remembers performing Could It Be I’m Falling In Love on her Top Of The Pops debut. “It was such an iconic show that practically everyone watched.
“I remember a huge sense of disbelief before I hit the stage as I couldn’t believe I’d made it to this point. That, along with major nerves and excitement all rolled into one. A memory I will never forget. I never throw anything away. I’ve still got stage dresses, my leather jacket, even that signature red dress from Set Me Free.”
Mark King reveals he still has his Jaydee Supernatural bass guitar. “It was the first bass I ever owned and is the best souvenir I have and still use. I bought it in 1980 and it has carried me through so many amazing experiences in my career that I would never part with it.”
The Let’s Rock Festival dates run from May 21. Squeeze are making their Let’s Rock debut and other acts appearing include Adam Ant, Billy Ocean, Wet Wet Wet and Human League. Visit letsrock80s. com for details.
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We met up on the corner outside the old sweet shop that we used to go to as kids and we were jumping up and down like small children, shouting at each other that we had a hit.” OMD’s Andy McCluskey recalls the band’s early success