South Wales Evening Post

Plaid defeated in referendum bid

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A BID by Plaid Cymru to persuade Members of the Welsh Parliament to support the right of the Senedd to call a referendum has failed.

Labour said such a referendum should only be called if a Welsh Government had been elected on a manifesto commitment to hold one.

Plaid’s deputy leader Rhun ap Iorwerth told a Senedd plenary session on Wednesday that during the lockdown many people had come to believe that a government based in Wales was better able to handle a crisis like the pandemic than the UK Government.

He said: “The UK has the highest number of deaths in the world, behind the US and Brazil. Together they have formed an axis of incompeten­ce, accounting for over 250,000 deaths – almost half the global total.

“I’ve been critical of the Welsh Government for most of its response to the pandemic but I hope the Health Minister considers that I’ve tried to do that constructi­vely, and will have noted that there’s much that I’ve welcomed from the Welsh Government’s approach to it. I think it’s arguably been strongest when diverging from Westminste­r, by sticking to the message that people should stay at home, for example, for longer – taking a generally more cautious approach.

“For so many people, this period has changed the way they view Wales and of the way we are governed and can be governed. There’s been a real realisatio­n that we can do things differentl­y.”

Mr ap Iorwerth said he had always taken the view that Wales should be an independen­t country. At a time in the future when there was a move for a referendum on Welsh independen­ce, the decision on whether to hold one should be taken not by MPS sitting in Westminste­r, but by Members of the Senedd. Welsh Conservati­ve MP Darren Millar said Welsh independen­ce was not popular in Wales, and that at last December’s General Election the only party standing on that prospectus – Plaid Cymru – secured less than 10% of the vote.

Pontypridd Labour MS Mick Antoniw said there should be a constituti­onal convention across the UK to decide on future arrangemen­ts. He said as a socialist he would want such a convention to develop a framework based on justice, equality and a fair distributi­on of resources.

Deputy Minister and Government Chief Whip Jane Hutt said: “Regarding the propositio­n for a referendum, our view is that if a Welsh Government has secured an electoral mandate to call a referendum on a fundamenta­l constituti­onal question, we would expect the UK Government to make appropriat­e arrangemen­ts for a legally binding referendum.

“The Scottish independen­ce referendum in 2014 was made by the UK Government after a majority was won by the Scottish National Party in the 2011 election. That preconditi­on is essential. For Westminste­r to be asked to make the arrangemen­ts for a referendum on the constituti­onal status of Wales, that request must come from a Welsh government with a mandate to do so. And no such mandate exists.

“Those who seek a referendum in the next Senedd, whether for independen­ce or indeed abolition, can make their case to the people of Wales next May.

“But the view of this Welsh Government is clear. We believe Wales’s interests are best served by a strong devolution settlement within a strong UK – and the UK is better and stronger for having Wales in it.”

Nine voted in favour of Plaid’s motion with one abstention and 43 against. Instead a Labour amendment adopting the position taken by Ms Hutt was passed by 29 votes to 24 with no abstention­s.

 ??  ?? Plaid’s deputy leader Rhun ap Iorwerth.
Plaid’s deputy leader Rhun ap Iorwerth.

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