‘I saw him grope women all the time’

An edited text of Lord Hain’s speech to his fellow peers during a debate on parliamentary privilege

My lords, can I both express great respect for the judicial expertise and eminent career of the noble Lord Brown of Eatonunder-heywood and remind your lordships that the commissioner of standards completely exonerated me in dismissing complaints from Sir Philip Green after I’d named him on Oct 25 2018?

I explained to her that I acted for moral reasons and was not secondguessing or criticising the judiciary, nor have I done so since.

To explain why, I’m revealing for the first time in public exactly what one of Sir Philip Green’s victims told me whilst pleading with me to name him under parliamentary privilege. I

quote: “He was touching and repeatedly slapping women staff ’s bottoms, grabbing thighs and touching legs.

“Hundreds of grievance cases were raised with HR. The company lawyer who interviewed me then lied.

“Sir Philip screamed and shouted at staff, ‘Go to psychologists.’ Victims went to an employment tribunal but were told it would not get anywhere so settled with an NDA. Some were worn down with spiralling legal costs costing them a fortune.

“He broke some in the end. It was horrible. He’s still doing exactly the same thing, it is rife. It happened all the time. I saw him grab the breasts of others, this has gone on for a long time.”

After I named Sir Philip, numerous former employees and executives of his made similar allegations in various newspapers. My motive was to stand up for ordinary employees against a very powerful and wealthy boss who – as described to me – seemed to think he was above the rules of decent, respectful behaviour.

My Lords, part of the injustice I acted against is the misuse of nondisclosure agreements which Sir Philip Green deployed to suppress victims from obtaining redress. As did Harvey Weinstein to silence his sexual harassment victims, as did organisers of the Presidents Club dinner in January last year when 130 women were required to sign NDAS in a bid to stop any details of harassment, groping and propositioning going public.

My lords, parliamentary privilege is a fundamental part of our constitution and is the only absolute free speech right entrenched in the law so it is part of the rule of law itself.

And surely the prospect that it may be used should be a deterrent to anyone minded to seek a secrecy order from the courts to cover up allegations of misconduct as in the Philip Green case. Despite similar outrage from the legal establishment it was used to name notorious spy Kim Philby. It was vindicated again in 1977 when MPS used it to expose the bogus secrecy of Colonel B wrongly, as the judges later found, given anonymity by the court to bolster an oppressive official secrecy case against journalists. When the DPP immediately threatened the press with prosecution newspapers, led by The Times, defied him.

That said, it should be used responsibly, sparingly and only when absolutely necessary.

In my 30-year parliamentary career I’ve used it just twice before. In 2000 when I named traffickers selling arms for blood diamonds fuelling wars in Africa and then in 2017-18 British corporations complicit in former President Zuma’s corrupt activities in South Africa.

These, like my Sir Philip Green intervention, exposed gross injustice in the public interest when the law was clearly failing to do so and are living proof of parliamentary sovereignty – irrespective of the wishes of the executive, the powerful and the wealthy and even rulings by the legal establishment when it covers up allegations of misconduct.