Albany Times Union

Plan to have Pence stop Biden win is focus

Jan. 6 panel looks at law professor’s unorthodox role

- By Lisa Mascaro

The House committee investigat­ing the Capitol riot plans to focus Thursday on the pressure that Donald Trump put on his vice president, Mike Pence, in a last-ditch and potentiall­y illegal plan to stop Joe Biden’s election victory.

Trump seized on the unorthodox proposal from conservati­ve law professor John Eastman to have Pence turn back the electors when the vice president presided over Congress to certify the election results on Jan. 6, 2021.

Traditiona­lly, Jan. 6 is a ceremonial day, a procedural step tallying the presidenti­al vote. But Eastman’s highly unusual plan was to have alternativ­e slates of electors submitted to Congress, leaving Pence no choice but to return them to the states to sort it out. Biden would be denied a majority and

Trump could win.

As the defeated Trump watched dozens of court cases challengin­g the 2020 presidenti­al election collapse, he turned to the Eastman plan as a last resort to stay in office.

A look at the Eastman plan in the days before Jan. 6 and why it’s central to the congressio­nal investigat­ion:

The plan

Two days before the Capitol attack, Pence was summoned to the White House for a meeting with Trump and Eastman to hear about the law professor’s plan.

With Trump’s false claims of election fraud, Eastman had been circulatin­g what was essentiall­y an academic proposal challengin­g the workings of the 130-year-old Electoral Count Act that governs the process for tallying the election results in Congress.

The six-point plan was gaining momentum among Trump’s allies in Congress.

If Pence would refuse to count some electors, then the threshold needed to certify the presidenti­al election would drop from the regular 270-vote majority to a lesser number — one presumably that Trump could reach.

If Democrats in Congress objected, as Eastman predicted, then under current law the House would be called on to decide the presidency. In that scenario, because the House would vote by individual state congressio­nal delegation­s, which were mostly Republican majority, the numbers would align for Trump to win.

Could that work?

To set the plan in motion, Trump and Eastman convened hundreds of electors on a call on Jan. 2, 2021, encouragin­g them to send alternativ­e electors from their states where Trump’s team was claiming fraud.

Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvan­ia and Wisconsin, and maybe even Nevada and New Mexico were on the list, according to testimony provided to the committee by Greg Jacob, counsel to Pence.

Jacob, who is scheduled to testify Thursday before the House committee, was at the Oval Office meeting with Trump and Pence when Eastman outlined the plan on Jan. 4. Jacob received an email from Eastman late the following night.

“It now looks like PA Legislatur­e will vote to recertify its electors if Vice President Pence implements the plan we discussed,” Eastman wrote.

Jacob responded in lawyerly prose, asking if it is “not unconstitu­tional.“

Has this been done?

While the every-fouryear-ritual of certifying the election results has certainly come with objections, nothing of this magnitude had been proposed since the disputed election of 1876 that led Congress to pass the Electoral Count Act.

Routinely, lawmakers from the losing side of a presidenti­al election would wage protest votes during the ceremonial proceeding­s in Congress.

But no defeated president had ever done what Trump did, mounting a campaign to overturn an election that included pressure on the vice president to change the outcome.

When Eastman received Jacob’s probing questions, he retorted that the counsel was being “smallminde­d.”

The professor pointed to past instances in history when presidents essentiall­y violated the letter of the law for a greater outcome, and he suggested such an action was warranted now because the “Constituti­on was being shredded” over the election.

Jacob replied that he could not believe there was a single Supreme Court justice or any judge who would agree to toss election laws.

Eastman’s theory, Jacob wrote, was “essentiall­y entirely made up.”

Pressure builds

Pence’s instinct was there was no way the Founding Fathers would entrust a single person with this authority to determine an election, Jacobs testified.

Pence had asked questions of Eastman during the meeting, but “never once did I see him budge from that view,” he said.

But a day after the Oval Office meeting, the pressure intensifie­d. Rather than just turn the electors back to the states, Eastman said Pence should just throw out the states’ tallies outright.

On the morning of Jan. 6, as the vice president prepared to head to the Capitol to preside over the vote, Trump called.

Trump told Pence he didn’t think he had the courage to make a hard decision, according to testimony to the Jan. 6 committee by retired Gen. Keith Kellogg, a national security aide who was with Trump at the time and heard part of the conversati­on.

“You’re not tough enough to make the call,” Trump said to Pence.

Count begins

The first objection during the joint session of Congress was raised by a Republican congressma­n from the Arizona, one of the states Trump most vehemently disputed was won by Biden.

Congress began working its way through the procedural matter; rioters were closing in on the Capitol.

In an email to Eastman after the attack began, Jacob closed his arguments against the plan, saying: “And thanks to your bullshit we are now under siege.”

At the time, Jacob was sheltering in the Capitol from the mob.

Who is Eastman?

A former Chapman University law professor, Eastman is known in conservati­ve circles for having clerked for Justice Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court.

Eastman also clerked for retired Judge Michael Luttig, who is also scheduled to testify Thursday. Luttig has called Eastman’s ideas “incorrect at every turn” and had been providing legal counsel to Pence’s team before Jan. 6.

Eastman repeatedly invoked his Fifth Amendment right not to testify during his interview with the committee.

 ?? Annz Moneymaker / NYT ?? Conservati­ve law professor John Eastman proposed having Mike Pence turn back the electors when the vice president presided over Congress to certify the presidenti­al election results on Jan. 6, 2021.
Annz Moneymaker / NYT Conservati­ve law professor John Eastman proposed having Mike Pence turn back the electors when the vice president presided over Congress to certify the presidenti­al election results on Jan. 6, 2021.

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