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NEW EVIDENCE FROM DIPLOMAT

President denies asking for updates on ‘the investigat­ions’ in call

- BY LISA MASCARO AND MARY CLARE JALONICK

WASHINGTON — A top U.S. diplomat revealed new evidence Wednesday of President Donald Trump’s efforts to press Ukraine to investigat­e political rivals as House investigat­ors launched public impeachmen­t hearings for just the fourth time in the nation’s history.

William Taylor, the highest-ranking U.S. official in Ukraine, said for the first time that Trump was overheard asking another ambassador about “the investigat­ions” he’d urged Ukraine’s leader to conduct one day earlier. Taylor said he learned of Trump’s phone call with the ambassador in recent days.

It was all part of what Taylor called the “irregular channel,” a shadow foreign policy orchestrat­ed by the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, outside traditiona­l oversight that raised alarms in diplomatic and national security circles.

Republican­s retorted that the Democrats still have no more than second- and third-hand knowledge of allegation­s that Trump held up millions of dollars in military aid for the Eastern European nation facing Russian aggression in return for Ukrainian investigat­ions into former Vice President Joe Biden and the Democratic National Committee.

The hearing, the first on television for the nation to see, provided hours of partisan back-and-forth but so far no singular moment etched in the public

consciousn­ess as grounds for removing the 45th president from office. Trump, who was meeting at the White House with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, declared he was “too busy” to watch.

The long day of testimony unfolded partly the way Democrats leading the inquiry wanted: in the somber tones of two career foreign service officers who described confusion both within the U.S. government and in Ukraine about what Trump wanted from Kyiv. Taylor testified alongside George Kent, a deputy assistant secretary at the State Department.

Taylor said his staff recently told him they overheard Trump’s phone call with Ambassador Gordon Sondland at a restaurant the day after Trump’s July 25 phone call with the new leader of Ukraine that sparked the impeachmen­t investigat­ion. The staffer explained that Sondland had called the president and Trump could be heard asking about “the investigat­ions.” Sondland told the president the Ukrainians were ready to move forward, Taylor testified.

Trump denied knowledge of the call later Wednesday, saying, “I know nothing about that.” He added, “First time I’ve heard it.”

An official familiar with the matter said the staffer Taylor referred to is David Holmes, the political counselor at the embassy in Kyiv. Holmes is invited to testify Friday before Congress.

Wednesday’s session unspooled in a formal, columned room on Capitol Hill, detailing the striking yet complicate­d allegation of a president using foreign policy for personal political gain.

Both sides tried to distill it into sound bites.

Democrats said Trump was engaged in “bribery” and “extortion.” Republican­s said nothing really happened: the military aid Trump was withholdin­g from Ukraine while he pushed for the investigat­ions was ultimately released.

At the start of Wednesday’s session, Rep. Adam Schiff, the Democratic chairman of the Intelligen­ce Committee, outlined the question at the core of the impeachmen­t inquiry — whether the president abused his office for political gain.

“The matter is as simple and as terrible as that,” said Schiff, D-Calif. “Our answer to these questions will affect not only the future of this presidency but the future of the presidency itself.”

Trump engaged in counterpro­gramming from the White House, with rapidfire tweets, a video from the Rose Garden and a dismissive retort from the Oval Office as he met with another foreign leader.

The witnesses defied White House instructio­ns not to appear. Both Taylor and Kent received subpoenas.

Both also had told their stories before. They are among a dozen current and former officials who testified behind closed doors. Wednesday signaled the start of at least two weeks of public hearings as the proceeding­s spill into the open.

A key Trump ally on the panel, Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, mockingly called Taylor the Democrats’ “star witness” and said he’d “seen church prayer chains that are easier to understand than this.”

Taylor, a West Point graduate and former Army infantry officer in Vietnam, responded: “I don’t consider myself a star witness for anything.”

The top Republican on the panel, Rep. Devin Nunes of California, said Trump had a “perfectly good reason” for wanting to investigat­e the role of Democrats in 2016 election interferen­ce, giving airtime to a theory that runs counter to mainstream U.S. intelligen­ce, which found that Russia intervened and favored Trump.

 ?? OLIVIER DOULIERY/GETTY-AFP ?? Acting Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor testifies as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent watches.
OLIVIER DOULIERY/GETTY-AFP Acting Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor testifies as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent watches.
 ?? SAUL LOEB/AP ?? Ranking member Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., left, confers with Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, right, and Steve Castor, Republican staff of the House Oversight Committee.
SAUL LOEB/AP Ranking member Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., left, confers with Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, right, and Steve Castor, Republican staff of the House Oversight Committee.
 ?? SAUL LOEB/AP ?? House Intelligen­ce Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., left, and ranking member of the House Intelligen­ce Committee Devin Nunes, R-Calif., talk during the hearing.
SAUL LOEB/AP House Intelligen­ce Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., left, and ranking member of the House Intelligen­ce Committee Devin Nunes, R-Calif., talk during the hearing.

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