Joaquin Phoenix, Mike Mills on sincerity in ‘C’mon C’mon’
In Mike Mills’ “C’mon C’mon,” Joaquin Phoenix plays a New Yorkbased radio journalist who, throughout the movie, records interviews with real kids about their lives, asking them questions like, “What scares you?” and “What makes you happy?”
During the film’s making, Mills would schedule the interviews sporadically, often at the end of a day of shooting.
“It was a constant reminder of what being genuine was in front of the camera, to really be authentic,” Phoenix says. “They just were.”
“It kind of changed the chemistry all the way through,” says Mills. “All films should have to do that.”
Moments of documentary make cameos in “C’mon C’mon,” but the entire film pulses with something tenderly close to real life. The performances are loose and often improvised. The story, of an uncle (Phoenix) thrust into parenting his sister’s 9-year-old son (Woody Norman), was inspired by Mills’ relationship with his own child, Hopper.
“I always tell Hopper that a human being is huge,” says Mills, who’s married to the filmmaker Miranda July. “All the possibilities and contradictions are enormous. A film about human beings, if you’re lucky, you’re going to get, like, a sliver.”
The black-and-white “C’mon C’mon,” which A24 opens in theaters Friday, may be the rare film to do a touch better than that. Since its launch earlier this fall at the Telluride and New York Film festivals, “C’mon C’mon” has been received as an uncommonly sweet, open-hearted and genuine film, a shaggy portrait of profound adultchild connection.
In October, Phoenix and Mills gathered on a midtown balcony to discuss the film, shot in January 2020 just before the pandemic began and edited throughout it. In the interim, Phoenix became a father. Last year, he and Rooney Mara had a boy, River, named after Phoenix’s late brother.
“It was like every phase of life was compounded into a few short months,” says Phoenix, smiling. “Life and death. Welcome to the experience!”
Asked if Phoenix began “C’mon C’mon” knowing that fatherhood was coming, he replies, “I don’t know. Do the math, man” — before relenting that he did know. But Phoenix, who has always been disinclined to draw straight lines between art and life, cautions it was only an entry point.
“When I think about it in relationship to my kid and my experience, I go ‘Ugh.’ This is so its own thing. I don’t want to get into that game of thinking about my life. Was I? I’m sure subconsciously,” Phoenix says. “I think it’s beautiful when you are inspired by things in your life, but it’s also somewhat disgusting at times.”
For Mills, the writer-director of “Beginners” and “20th Century Woman,” family has been a regular reservoir. “Beginners,” with Christopher Plummer, was based on his father, and Annette Bening’s matriarch in “20th Century Woman” was inspired by his mother. But he’s also hesitant to be too straightforward about it.
“I do feel like the people that show up in your life in a really big way are your cosmos,” says Mills. “Everything’s there. It’s ‘Game of Thrones’ and ‘Spider-Man’ and the comedy all thrown together.”
“C’mon C’mon” may be built on autobiography but Mills’ collaborative process turned it into something else, into its own thing. For Norman, 12, the freedom of Mills’ filmmaking was new and transformative.
“I’ve worked on films that have been very much, ‘It has to be in the script and you can’t change anything,’” says Norman, speaking by Zoom from his home in London. “It being loose, I thought, let my creativity flow. To me, the film is very charming in that way because you can tell that everything is real.”
In the film, Norman’s character, Jesse, is full of curiosities and eccentricates that go beyond the usual views of childhood in film. Like Jesse, Norman wants to be taken seriously for all he’s capable of.
“I don’t want to be seen as a child actor,” Norman says. “I want to be seen as an actor who is a child.”
Phoenix also began as a child actor, an experience he thinks back fondly on. He believes he was then a fully instinctual actor, a mindset he tries to recapture.
“Somewhere near the end, he said with no irony, ‘I’ve been carrying you this whole picture.’ And I think we all agreed with that,” says Phoenix.