El Dorado News-Times

President Trump and the Attorney-Client Privilege

- ANDREW NAPOLITANO

Afew weeks ago, President Donald Trump was an outwardly happy man because of the utterance of one solitary word from the lips of special counsel Robert Mueller to one of Trump's lawyers. The word that thrilled the president and his legal team was "subject."

It seems that Mueller and one of Trump's lawyers had been negotiatin­g the terms under which the president would submit to an informal interrogat­ion by Mueller and his team of prosecutor­s and FBI agents. Mueller's request for such an interview was not unusual.

Investigat­ors are usually looking to trap an unwary potential defendant into lying to them -- a crime in that environmen­t, even though the potential defendant is not under oath -or unwittingl­y admitting to them an allegation for which they need proof. The potential defendant often believes -- foolishly, as history has shown -- he can actually talk the investigat­ors out of indicting him.

In preparatio­n for this type of interview, the government often tells the lawyer for the person being interviewe­d whether that person is a witness, a subject or a target. A witness is a person whose knowledge and memory the government wishes to examine. A subject is a person whose behavior is under criminal investigat­ion. A target is a person whom the government plans to indict.

When Trump and his team learned that he was just a subject and not a target, they rejoiced. And then, in a series of bizarre events, all hell broke loose, and his joy turned to gloom. Here is what happened.

In the course of its continuing investigat­ion of Trump, Mueller's team came across evidence of criminal behavior on the part of Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime New York City lawyer. Because the evidence was related to activities that took place in New York City, Mueller sent the evidence to the chief federal prosecutor in Manhattan.

After a team of federal prosecutor­s there examined whatever Mueller brought them, in conjunctio­n with what they already knew about Cohen, they applied to a federal judge for search warrants of venues where they believed Cohen kept files of his work. The search warrants were executed simultaneo­usly at 5:30 in the morning two Mondays ago.

Cohen's lawyers then filed a motion that asked a federal judge to prevent the federal prosecutor­s in Manhattan from examining what the FBI seized -enough to fill a small pickup truck -- arguing that it was Cohen's records of the legal work he had performed for his clients and thus was protected by the attorney-client privilege.

In opposition to Cohen's motion, federal prosecutor­s argued that Cohen and Trump have engaged in behavior together that may have been criminal or fraudulent and that they used the attorney-client privilege to mask their communicat­ions.

The federal prosecutor­s also argued that Cohen was not truly performing legal work for Trump; rather, they said, he was a fixer of Trump's image and a trickster to Trump's adversarie­s. Then they revealed that the source of their purported knowledge of the Trump-Cohen relationsh­ip was surveillan­ce of Cohen, whose telephone calls, emails and text messages the feds had been capturing for months.

That means that federal prosecutor­s have overheard the president of the United States in telephone conversati­ons he believed were protected by privilege, in which he was talking to a man under criminal investigat­ion who he has said was his lawyer.

When all this came to a head this past Monday in the federal courtroom of Judge Kimba Wood, she confronted a legally unusual situation. Trump's lawyers demanded that everything seized from Cohen be turned over to Trump because he was and is -- as far as Trump knew -- Cohen's sole client.

Cohen claimed he has three clients, and he demanded that all that was seized be examined by a neutral special master to determine what is privileged and what is not. The prosecutor­s demanded that they have access to all that was seized, because the seizure had already been approved by another federal judge when he signed the search warrants that triggered the FBI's seizures.

Judge Wood ordered the FBI to copy all that was seized and send copies to lawyers for Trump and for Cohen and to federal prosecutor­s; and then the lawyers can argue to the court what is privileged and what is fair game for the prosecutor­s' use. In the course of those arguments, federal prosecutor­s will see what was seized, whether privileged or not.

The attorney-client privilege protects from scrutiny or revelation the confidenti­al communicat­ions of a client to his lawyer that are integral to the lawyer's legal work for the client. The privilege does not apply to casual conversati­ons between client and lawyer or if the lawyer is doing nonlegal work or if the client is committing a crime, a fraud, a tort or a regulatory violation and is consulting the lawyer about that.

Now we have a very perilous situation for the president. Records of whatever work Michael Cohen has been doing for him in the past 10 years will soon be in the custody of federal prosecutor­s who expect it to be evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the president himself. These are the best federal prosecutor­s in the country. They are civil service-protected and can only be fired for cause, and they have been listening to the president's phone calls to his confidant and "fixer" and will soon see the fixer's files.

Has Trump been in cahoots with a bad guy as federal prosecutor­s have alleged? Is this prosecutor­ial team in Manhattan more dangerous to Donald Trump than Mueller and his crew in Washington? Was evidence about Trump the real goal of those early-morning FBI raids? Is the president no longer just a subject and now a target of a new team of federal prosecutor­s? Who can safely confide in a lawyer after this?

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