Houston Chronicle Sunday

Debate over pay ‘parity’ heats up

Fire union boss, Turner scrap over cost of measure

- By Jasper Scherer STAFF WRITER

After months of trading barbs from a distance, Mayor Sylvester Turner and the head of Houston’s firefighte­rs’ union met in a vigorous but civil debate Saturday, displaying their fundamenta­l difference­s over just about everything related to the November ballot referendum that would grant firefighte­rs pay “parity” with police officers of correspond­ing rank and seniority.

The dispute revolves around a divisive question: If the measure known as Propositio­n B passes, can the city afford it? If anything, the debate at St. John’s United Methodist Church between Turner and Houston Profession­al Fire Firefighte­rs Associatio­n President Marty Lancton revealed how irreconcil­able the opposing views on that question truly are.

From Turner’s perspectiv­e, Houston firefighte­rs deserve to receive better pay, but not to the extent that their raises “bankrupt the city,” as he claimed Propositio­n B would do by mandating 29 percent raises for firefighte­rs, at a cost of than $100 million a year.

What’s more, Turner said Saturday, the measure does not call for true “parity” because it man-

dates only equal pay, ignoring retirement benefits, training and education requiremen­ts — in practice granting firefighte­rs better pay, Turner argued.

To Lancton, the city has balanced its budget on the backs of firefighte­rs to the point that the department’s rank-and-file members are struggling to make ends meet, with salaries far lower than those of firefighte­rs in other Texas cities.

“What Houston firefighte­rs seek is fair, competitiv­e pay. Because of low pay, many Houston-trained firefighte­rs are leaving for other department­s,” Lancton said. “Our pay is so low that starting firefighte­rs, supporting families, can even qualify for government assistance. We've asked the city for competitiv­e pay for nearly a decade. The city has repeatedly rejected our efforts to reach an acceptable contract agreement.”

The city has created a “phony, manufactur­ed budget crisis,” Lancton said, when it can indeed afford to increase firefighte­r pay to match that of police officers.

To that point, moderator and Chronicle opinion editor Lisa Falkenberg posed a question to Lancton that spawned one of the debate’s notable moments: You have questioned Turner’s claim that Prop B would cost $98 million, she said, “but surely to know it's wrong, you must have done the research to know the right figure. What is it?”

“You know, that’s a great question for you to ask the city,” Lancton said, going on to point out that Turner’s cost estimate has fluctuated at times — and that Propositio­n B “does not specify anything about a percentage pay raise.”

“If you look at the language within the propositio­n and you see anywhere in there about a 25 percent pay raise, I will stop this debate right now,” Lancton said.

Turner firing back: “You can't ask for pay parity without knowing what the cost is. Please bear in mind, this is not my referendum. This is Marty's referendum. If you are asking the voters to vote for this, you ought to know what the cost of your petition is.”

“I don't have a finance department that works for me, that I hire,” Lancton said after the debate, explaining why the union has not offered its own estimate. He again cast doubt on the city’s estimates, arguing they contain assumption­s about certain costs.

City Controller Chris Brown admitted as much to City Council on Wednesday while discussing his estimate that the parity measure would cost about $85 million a year. Brown called the cost “unsustaina­ble.”

Just before the hourlong debate came to an end, Lancton and Turner were each asked to “draw a picture” of what would happen if the item passes.

Lancton, who has previously suggested that he is open to reaching pay parity over multiple years, answered first: “If it passes, we do not expect anything to happen overnight. What we are telling the public … is that we are willing to work with the administra­tion, work with anybody that wants to sit down and focus on how we can make sure that we can implement a system that is equitable and fair.”

Turner again jumped on Lancton's claim, saying in essence that if Prop B passes, the law would compel changes to happen overnight.

“If the voters vote this in, you are mandating the city, you are mandating me to enforce it and to implement it based on the timeline, and that is immediate,” Turner said. “You cannot then negotiate the people's vote.”

Lancton, on this matter and when asked why the union has not accepted Turner’s standing 9.5 percent pay raise offer, returned to the state’s local government code.

He suggested the code prevents the union from accepting a new contract now. And Lancton pointed to a provision that says the code “preempts all contrary local ordinances,” which he says would theoretica­lly allow the city and firefighte­rs to reach a more agreeable collective bargaining contract to supersede Prop B.

“If you’re taking the position that collective bargaining can trump the election on Nov. 6, then why are we doing this election in the first place?” Turner asked Lancton. “If collective bargaining trumps, there is no reason to be putting the public through this divisive process. You cannot have it both ways.”

Lancton stood firm, telling Turner that “if the city wants to equally value the service and sacrifice of the Houston firefighte­rs, you can come up with a way to phase in anything that the mayor and the city and the firefighte­rs want to do.”

“But the firefighte­rs need to have somebody sitting across the table that shows up and that's willing to work with them,” he added, alluding to his prior claims that Turner skipped out on the bargaining process.

Turner later called that claim a “red herring.”

“You have your negotiatin­g teams,” he said after the debate. “They come, they get their marching orders and their instructio­ns from me. It's the same in every process.”

The debate, hosted by the Harris County Democratic Party, played out in fairly civil terms, a notable developmen­t given the rancorous dialogue that has surrounded the issue so far. Turner and Lancton did allude at times to the divisivene­ss Propositio­n B has created, with Turner criticizin­g Lancton for making the process “contentiou­s” by putting “employee management decisions into the public domain.”

“You're putting employees against one another. It is not good public policy,” Turner said.

Lancton at one point jabbed at Turner for not attending negotiatio­ns, then posting in recent months about Prop B on social media.

“If the decisions don't come at a negotiatin­g table but they continue to come over Twitter, that's not good leadership,” Lancton said. “That's not going to get a resolution.”

Turner has argued for months that the city cannot afford Propositio­n B, warning it would force hundreds of worker layoffs, including firefighte­rs and police, in part because the city operates under a voter-imposed revenue cap.

Brown’s $85 million estimate does not account for the 7 percent raise granted to police officers in a twoyear contract approved by City Council on Wednesday.

The deal, which goes into effect in July 2019, means police will have received raises of more than 30 percent since 2011, while firefighte­rs have received just a 3 percent raise.

In Houston, a first-year firefighte­r currently earns about $40,000, or $12,000 less than firefighte­rs in San Antonio and about $20,000 less than both starting firefighte­rs and police in Dallas. Pay for a Houston police officer who has completed a six-month probationa­ry period is about $55,000.

Turner typically accounts for the disparity by focusing on the fire union’s rejection of previous offers that would have otherwise made the gap less severe; union officials say they turned down a 4 percent raise under former mayor Annise Parker because it was undercut by health premium increases, while Turner’s 9.5 percent raise was offered in bad faith after collective bargaining talks had broken down.

But the mayor took a new approach to explain the disparity on Saturday, pointing to firefighte­rs’ cumulative pay raise of about 34 percent between 2005 and 2010, while police took in a 15 percent raise during that time.

“Police did not go out and ask for a referendum,” Turner said.

“You can't ask for pay parity without knowing what the cost is. … If you are asking the voters to vote for this, you ought to know what the cost of your petition is.” Sylvester Turner, Houston mayor

“What Houston firefighte­rs seek is fair, competitiv­e pay. … Our pay is so low that starting firefighte­rs, supporting families, can even qualify for government assistance.” Marty Lancton, HPFFA president

 ?? Jasper Scherer / Staff ?? Mayor Sylvester Turner and Houston Profession­al Fire Firefighte­rs Associatio­n President Marty Lancton debated Prop B, the ballot referendum that would grant firefighte­rs pay parity with police.
Jasper Scherer / Staff Mayor Sylvester Turner and Houston Profession­al Fire Firefighte­rs Associatio­n President Marty Lancton debated Prop B, the ballot referendum that would grant firefighte­rs pay parity with police.

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