Los Angeles Times

Obstructio­n of justice — or not

Legal experts describe how Trump’s lawyers could defend against Comey’s allegation­s.

- By David G. Savage david.savage@latimes.com

WASHINGTON — It looks to many like a textbook case of obstructio­n of justice.

President Trump fired James B. Comey several weeks after the FBI director says the president asked him — during a private White House meeting — to shut down the investigat­ion of Michael Flynn, the ousted national security advisor who was suspected of having secret dealings with Russians.

“I hope you can let this go,” Trump purportedl­y said, according to a memo written by Comey that was described to multiple media outlets.

Assuming that Comey’s memo is accurate, “the basis for an obstructio­n of justice charge suddenly got a lot stronger,” said Jennifer Daskal, an American University law professor.

“We now have an allegation that the president cleared the room of both the vice president and attorney general before expressing his not-so-subtle ‘hope’ that the Flynn investigat­ion be dropped, followed by the firing of Comey when the ‘hope’ was not met,” Daskal said.

The White House has denied Comey’s characteri­zation of the meeting. And some prominent lawyers urge caution in jumping to conclusion­s, noting that obstructio­n of justice is not easy to prove.

Under the law, it is a crime to “corruptly” seek to “obstruct or impede” what it refers to as the “due and proper administra­tion of the law.”

Much depends on an assessment of the president’s motive, legal experts say. It’s also noteworthy that in this case the dispute probably will not play out in a courtroom, but in a public arena and in Congress, which has the final power to prosecute the president.

Former prosecutor­s and legal academics say they foresee at least three lines of defense for the president.

First, they can argue he was simply trying to protect a loyal advisor who he believed was wrongly put under a legal cloud, and was therefore not acting on a corrupt motive.

“He could say he felt bad for Flynn. He didn’t have a corrupt intent and was not trying to curtail a criminal case. He was just saying [to Comey], ‘It would be great if you gave him a break,’ ” said Peter Zeidenberg, a Washington attorney and former federal prosecutor.

It will be important to focus on exactly what was said, added David B. Rivkin, a Washington lawyer who served as a White House lawyer under President George H.W. Bush. “The question is, did this amount to a specific directive? If Mr. Trump had issued a clear-cut order to stop the investigat­ion, Comey would have resigned. That did not happen. Therefore, what he said was much more attenuated.”

Second, the president’s lawyers could argue there was no crime. The FBI’s investigat­ion was at a preliminar­y stage and had not yielded indictment­s. Some lawyers say obstructio­n of justice charges are limited to interferen­ce in an actual criminal case, not an early stage of an FBI inquiry.

Elizabeth Price Foley, a law professor at Florida Internatio­nal University, said obstructio­n of justice law referred to a “pending proceeding,” but courts had interprete­d that to refer only to prosecutio­ns and agency hearings. This would not include an FBI investigat­ion that had not yet led to criminal charges, she said.

“While there may be understand­able angst surroundin­g the purported Trump-Comey exchange, there does not appear to be a fair legal argument that the exchange constitute­d an obstructio­n of justice,” she said.

And third, the president’s lawyers could argue the Constituti­on gives the president very broad powers over investigat­ions and prosecutio­ns. Conservati­ves in recent decades have invoked the theory of the “unitary executive,” which puts the ultimate power in the president’s hands.

Rivkin, who played a lead role in formulatin­g a constituti­onal challenge to President Obama’s healthcare law, said the president is the chief law enforcemen­t officer.

“We have a unitary executive. Under the Constituti­on, he is the chief executive, and there is a perfectly reasonable argument that says he was capable of directing all the activities of executive branch officials,” he said. If so, the president may lawfully intervene in federal investigat­ions under certain circumstan­ces.

Suppose, he said, a president calls the attorney general to the White House and tells him he wants him to shut down all pending federal investigat­ions involving low-level drug crimes. This would not be viewed as an illegitima­te interferen­ce by the president in a pending law enforcemen­t matter, he said, but an example of the president acting within his constituti­onal authority.

Rivkin acknowledg­ed, however, that Trump’s alleged interferen­ce in the Flynn investigat­ion may raise other concerns, since the inquiry could turn up evidence that implicates him or his campaign aides.

He and others agreed the public and political debate will turn on the president’s motives.

Zeidenberg, the former federal prosecutor, said Trump had helped build a case against himself.

“Most presidents in this kind of situation say, ‘We want to get to the bottom of this.’ They feign transparen­cy because it looks good. He did the opposite. He put out statements and tweets saying this was a hoax and should be shut down,” he said. That furthers the impression the president has something to hide, he said.

Prosecutor­s in a normal case would also focus on the detail from Comey’s memo that Trump asked the attorney general and vice president to leave the room.

“That seems highly suspicious. If it were an innocent request, why do you want the witnesses to leave the room?” Zeidenberg said.

All these facts go to a motive, and that’s crucial, he said.

 ?? Andrew Harnik Associated Press ?? PRESIDENT TRUMP and the first lady leave the White House on Friday. Legal experts note that obstructio­n of justice is not easy to prove. They say that much depends on an assessment of the president’s motive.
Andrew Harnik Associated Press PRESIDENT TRUMP and the first lady leave the White House on Friday. Legal experts note that obstructio­n of justice is not easy to prove. They say that much depends on an assessment of the president’s motive.

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