Los Angeles Times

Just another bar fight?

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Agroup of guys walks into a bar, doesn’t like another group of guys, and a fight breaks out. Police officers stop the scuffle, and everyone goes home a little worse for wear. This is a nuisance so common that it could have happened anywhere.

In this charged political environmen­t, the belligeren­ts at the Griffin bar in Atwater Village on July 14 were anything but ordinary: As reported in the L.A. Times, a group of progressiv­e activists learned that a gathering of Proud Boys, a far-right all-male organizati­on known for violent street confrontat­ions, was taking place at the Griffin, and showed up to demand the Proud Boys’ ejection. Altercatio­ns ensued.

Take all the complicati­ng facts away, say our letter writers, and what happened was that one group simply could not abide sharing a bar with another group.

— Paul Thornton, letters editor

Los Angeles resident Phillip May faults the Democratic Socialists:

Is there a dress code for drinking at bars? You can’t wear a polo shirt and a “Make America Great Again” hat without a social justice warrior trying to get you thrown out?

The 1st Amendment doesn’t give Democratic

Socialist organizer Josh Androsky the right to confront other patrons in a bar and make them leave. But now he’s emboldened and what is to prevent him from trying to make anyone leave if he doesn't like their group or their clothes?

People who truly believe in individual rights should be worried about this. Jane De Haven of Los Angeles agrees:

The Times fails to question Androsky’s assumption that “Nazis” cannot peaceably assemble based on their ideology. In this country, we don't presume that we can read thoughts and ban people from public gathering places.

Furthermor­e, the Supreme Court decided that actual Nazis could peaceably assemble when they were given the right to march in predominan­tly Jewish Skokie, Ill., back in the 1970s, where Holocaust survivors — who actually know what Nazis are — lived.

The reporter questions the statement by the Proud Boys that they were not at the bar to cause trouble, the reason being that fewer than 20% of voters in Atwater Village supported President Trump. Are we now expected to patronize establishm­ents only in neighborho­ods that mirror our own voting preference­s?

Paul Leslie of Burbank was the lone reader to target his criticism at the Proud Boys:

Now we have a group called Proud Boys to contend with. By “we,” I mean civilized society.

What are they proud of? Apparently for “creating the modern world.” And yet their unnamed president eschews racism and states, “I think that racial pride is stupid because how can you be proud of something you took no part in creating?”

These boys did not create the modern world. They are simply living in it and making a mess of where they eat. And they are so proud to be men, but they are only men because “the stars were aligned and you happened to come out” a man.

And yet they are still so proud of something they did not accomplish.

 ?? Marcus Yam Los Angeles Times ?? THE GRIFFIN bar in Atwater Village was the scene of a politicall­y charged altercatio­n on July 14.
Marcus Yam Los Angeles Times THE GRIFFIN bar in Atwater Village was the scene of a politicall­y charged altercatio­n on July 14.

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