RON'S HEART IS WITH PEOPLE OF UKR.
Slams delusional despot Vlad as 'war criminal'
FLORIDA Gov. Ron DeSantis has branded Vladimir Putin a “war criminal” and demanded he be “held accountable” for his barbaric invasion of Ukraine. Taking a tougher tone from his statement last week appearing to dismiss the year-long war as a “territorial dispute,” DeSantis now says Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine and was wrong to invade and take over Crimea in 2014 and won’t win the war.
And he’s made his strongest attack yet on Russia’s dictator, calling him a loser who is “basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons.”
Setting record straight
DeSantis made the new comments in a wide-ranging TV interview for my show “Piers Morgan Uncensored,” which airs on Thursday on Fox Nation and has already made headlines for the governor’s attack on potential Republican nominee Donald Trump.
His assertion, in a statement to Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson, that it is not in America’s “vital national interests” to become “further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia” was strongly criticized by numerous senior Republicans including Sen. Lindsey Graham and Sen. Marco Rubio.
When I asked DeSantis specifically if he regretted using the phrase “territorial dispute,” he replied: “Well, I think it’s been mischaracterized. Obviously, Russia invaded. That was wrong. They invaded Crimea and took that in 2014. That was wrong. What I’m referring to is where the fighting is going on now, which is that eastern border region Donbas, and then Crimea, and you have a situation where Russia has had that. I don’t think legitimately but they had. There’s a lot of ethnic Russians there.
“So, that’s some difficult fighting, and that’s what I was referring to, and so it wasn’t that I thought Russia had a right to that, and so if I should have made that more clear I could have done it, but I think the larger point is, OK, Russia is not showing the ability to take over Ukraine, to topple the government or certainly to threaten NATO.
“That’s a good thing. I just don’t think that’s a sufficient interest for us to escalate more involvement. I would not want to see American troops involved there. But the idea that I think somehow Russia was justified [in invading] — that’s nonsense.”
I told him that when I was in Ukraine interviewing President Volodymyr Zelensky last summer, I was struck by the ferocious resolve of the people there not to give Putin an inch of their land, and to take Crimea back.
“I think they would take issue with it being characterized as a territorial dispute,” I said.
“I think they have the right to that territory,” DeSantis replied. “If I could snap my fingers, I’d give it back to Ukraine 100%. But the reality is what is America’s involvement in terms of escalating with more weapons, and certainly ground troops I think would be a mistake. So, that was the point I was trying to make but Russia was wrong to invade. They were wrong to take Crimea.
Putin had no right
“Russia did not have the right to go into Crimea or to go in in February of 2022, and that should be clear.”
When I asked DeSantis for his opinion of Putin, he was quick to denounce the Russian president.
“I think he’s got grand ambitions,” he said. “I think he’s hostile to the United States, but I think the thing that we’ve seen is he doesn’t have the conventional capability to realize his ambitions.
“And so, he’s basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons and one of the things we could be doing better is utilizing our own energy resources in the US. We could be permitting natural gas pipelines, doing a lot in Alaska.
“That’s where he gets all his power and obviously, he’s influenced Europe by having so much energy. So, the way to hit Putin is to hit him with energy, but I do think if you look back, all the defense analysts, and me in the past, we overestimated his conventional capability.
“This has been a huge blunder for him, huge cost, and you know we’ll see what ends up happening with his longevity in power, but this has been a loss for them.”
The International Criminal Court in The Hague last week issued an arrest warrant for Putin for overseeing the abduction of
Ukrainian children, and it’s thought more will follow.
The US doesn’t recognize the ICC, believing it to be unconstitutional because it would allow the trial of US citizens for crimes committed on US soil.
“There is a move now to hold him accountable for war crimes,” I told DeSantis. “Bombing maternity hospitals and genocidal activity in parts of Ukraine wiping out whole cities like Mariupol. Would you support that?”
“I think he is a war criminal,” he replied. “This ICC . . . we have not done that in the US because we’re concerned about our soldiers or people being brought under it. So, I don’t know about that route, but I do think that he should be held accountable.”
Sees path to victory
DeSantis is convinced Ukraine will eventually prevail in the war.
“I think those regions in the [eastern] border, and Crimea, are likely to be a stalemate for quite some time, and unfortunately a lot of people will end up dying if that’s the case.
“But I do not think it’s going to end with Putin being victorious. I do not think the Ukrainian government is going to be toppled by him and I think that’s a good thing.”
DeSantis, however, didn’t address whether he had softened his position on sending more advanced weaponry like F-16s to Ukraine.
Another “territorial dispute” that could blow up soon is China invading Taiwan, and I asked him if America should get involved in defending Taiwan if it happens.
“That would be aggression,” he replied, “absolutely it would be aggression. Taiwan is a strong ally of the United States. I think that’s a critical interest, for us but also for our key allies like Japan and South Korea, and I think overall the number one issue that we face internationally is checking the growth and the rise of China. They’re much more powerful than Putin and Russia are, and they really represent the biggest threat that we’ve seen to our ability to lead since the Soviet Union.”
Would he ban TikTok? “I would. I think it’s a security risk, they are harvesting so much data on our citizens. There’s a whole bunch of other apps and stuff that are out there and honestly, Piers, I’ve got young kids, I don’t want our kids on some of this stuff. It’s not healthy for them.
“The TikTok in China is sanitized, it’s more wholesome. Here they’re putting in a lot of bad stuff, too. So, I think it’s had a corrosive impact but that in of itself wouldn’t be enough, what’s enough though is how they’re harvesting that to use against the American people.”