San Antonio Express-News

Prompt and enjoy better conversati­ons this holiday

- DAVID BROOKS @nytdavidbr­ooks

After all we’ve been through this year, wouldn’t it be nice, even during a distanced holiday season, to be able to talk about this whole experience with others in a deep, satisfying way? To help, I’ve put together a list of nonobvious lessons for how to have better conversati­ons:

Approach with awe. C.S. Lewis once wrote that if you’d never met a human and suddenly encountere­d one, you’d be inclined to worship this creature. Every human is a miracle and your superior in some way. The people who have great conversati­ons expect to be delighted by you and make you feel their affection and respect. Lady Randolph Churchill once said that when sitting next to statesman William Gladstone she thought him the cleverest person in England, but when she sat next to Benjamin Disraeli she thought she was the cleverest person in England.

Ask elevating questions. All of us have developed a way of being that is our technique for getting through each day. But some questions, startling as they seem at first, compel us to see ourselves from a higher vantage: What crossroads are you at? What commitment­s have you made that you no longer believe in? Whom do you feel most grateful to have in your life? What problem did you used to have but now have licked? What would you do if you weren’t afraid?

Ask open-ended questions. Many of us have a horrible tendency to ask questions that imply judgment: Where did you go to school? Or we ask yes/no questions — Did you have a good day? — that basically shut off interestin­g answers. Better questions start with, “What was it like … ” or, “Tell me about a time … ”

Make them authors, not witnesses. The important part of people’s lives is not what happened to them but how they experience­d what happened to them. So many of the best conversati­ons are not a recitation of events. They involve going over an event, seeing it from wider perspectiv­es, coating it with new layers of emotion, transformi­ng it, so that, say, an event that was very hard to live through is now very satisfying to remember.

Treat attention as all or nothing. Of course, we all have divided attention. In “You’re Not Listening,” Kate Murphy writes that introverts have more divided attention than others while in conversati­on because there’s so much going on in their own heads. But in conversati­on it’s best to act as if attention had an on/off switch. Total focus.

Don’t fear the pause. Most of us stop listening to a comment about halfway through so we can be ready with a response. In Japan, Murphy writes, businesspe­ople are more likely to hear the whole comment and pause, sometimes eight seconds, before responding, which is twice as long as American businesspe­ople convention­ally tolerate.

Keep the gem statement front and center. In the midst of many difficult conversati­ons, there is what mediator Adar Cohen calls the gem statement. This is the comment that keeps the relationsh­ip together: “Even when we can’t agree on Dad’s medical care, I know you want the best for him.” If you can both seize that gem statement, it may point to a solution.

Find the disagreeme­nt under the disagreeme­nt. In the Talmudic tradition, when two people disagree, it’s because there is some deeper philosophi­cal or moral disagreeme­nt undergirdi­ng it. Conversati­on then becomes a shared process of digging down to the underlying disagreeme­nt and the disagreeme­nt below that. As neuroscien­tist Lisa Feldman Barrett writes, “Being curious about your friend’s experience is more important than being right.”

The midwife model. Sometimes people talk to solve a person’s problem. The Rev. Margaret Guenther wrote that a good conversati­onalist in these cases is like a midwife. That means spending a lot of time patiently listening to the other person teach herself through her narration, bringing forth her unthought thoughts, sitting with an issue as it slowly changes under the pressure of joint attention. “To influence actions,” neuroscien­tist Tali Sharot writes, “you need to give people a sense of control.”

Deeper conversati­ons help people become explicable to each other and themselves. You can’t really know yourself until you know how you express yourself and find yourself in another’s eyes. Deeper conversati­on builds trust, the oxygen of society — exactly what we’re missing now.

“Humans need to be heard before they will listen,” Amanda Ripley writes.

It’s been a rough year for that, but this Thanksgivi­ng, the possibilit­y of deep talk is still out there, even over Zoom.

 ?? Beaumont Enterprise file photo ?? Jacqueline Guidry and Kenny Veazie talk during a Thanksgivi­ng meal in Beaumont last year. Deeper conversati­ons help people become explicable to each other and themselves.
Beaumont Enterprise file photo Jacqueline Guidry and Kenny Veazie talk during a Thanksgivi­ng meal in Beaumont last year. Deeper conversati­ons help people become explicable to each other and themselves.
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