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COVID MEASURES SNARL VP DEBATE

Pence initially opposed erecting plexiglass dividers

- BY MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM & MAGGIE HABERMAN Grynbaum and Haberman write for The New York Times.

The nation’s political divide is no longer just a metaphor.

Aides to Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday criticized plans for their candidate to sit behind plexiglass dividers at this week’s vice presidenti­al debate, objecting to a safety measure that the organizers said would help prevent any viral transmissi­on between Pence and his Democratic opponent, Sen. Kamala Harris.

The complaint from Pence’s staff — which was quickly brushed aside by Harris’ team — was another salvo in the fraught negotiatio­ns over the debate scheduled for today in Salt Lake City, an event that was brief ly in doubt after President Donald Trump’s announceme­nt that he had contracted the coronaviru­s.

Late Tuesday, Frank Fahrenkopf Jr., a co-chairman of the Commission on Presidenti­al Debates, said in an interview that after negotiatio­ns, Pence’s staff had agreed to accept the placement of the plexiglass dividers, which were installed on the Utah debate stage earlier in the day.

Questions still remain about the next scheduled debate between Trump and Joe Biden on Oct. 15. Asked on Tuesday if he would feel safe debating the president, Biden told reporters: “I think if he still has COVID, we shouldn’t have a debate.”

Biden added: “I think we

were going to have to follow very strict guidelines. Too many people have been infected. It’s a very serious problem, so I will be guided by the guidelines of the Cleveland Clinic and what the docs say is the right thing to do.”

The Commission on Presidenti­al Debates oversees safety protocols at the debates in consultati­on with officials from the Cleveland Clinic. The commission had announced on Monday that it would use plexiglass dividers at the event with Harris and Pence, along with mandating that the candidates

be seated 12 feet, 3 inches apart.

But Marc Short, Pence’s chief of staff, said on Tuesday that he did not want the vice president to appear on national television behind the plastic barriers.

“We don’t think it’s needed,” Short said. “There’s no science to support it. The tables are 12 feet apart, and each participan­t is tested. It’s important for the American people that the debate go forward.” Referring to Harris, he said: “If she’s more comfortabl­e with plexiglass, then that’s fine.”

The Biden campaign re

sponded that eliminatin­g dividers would risk the health of those in the debate hall.

“Senator Harris will be at the debate, respecting the protection­s that the Cleveland Clinic has put in place to promote safety for all concerned,” Sabrina Singh, a Harris spokeswoma­n, said. “If the Trump administra­tion’s war on masks has now become a war on safety shields, that tells you everything you need to know about why their COVID response is a failure.”

Pence has tested negative for the virus several times in recent days, accord

ing to his aides, though the vice president had interacted frequently with numerous White House advisers who have since tested positive.

Short, the vice president’s chief of staff, also claimed that an epidemiolo­gist at the University of Utah, which is hosting the debate, “told us that there’s no scientific reason for the plexiglass.” In fact, the Cleveland Clinic is overseeing health protocols at the debate.

Ground rules for debates are often the subject of delicate negotiatio­ns between

the campaigns and the debate commission, and it is not unusual for issues to f lare up in the hours before the event.

Pence’s attempted dismissal of a safety measure, however, was notable in light of the myriad health concerns around staging an indoor event when the president and a significan­t number of his senior advisers have contracted the virus, along with several senators and a top military leader.

One aide to Pence had expressed disdain earlier this week about the use of the barriers, suggesting they could be used to make a candidate look weak. “If Senator Harris wants to use a fortress around herself, have at it,” the aide, Katie Miller, said.

A virtual event is also under considerat­ion for the next debate between Trump and Biden, though those discussion­s remain in a preliminar­y phase, according to two people with knowledge of the commission’s deliberati­ons.

Much remains unknown about that debate, including if Trump will be well enough to attend and if Biden’s team would be comfortabl­e with the former vice president’s sharing an indoor stage with a president who has been contagious.

 ?? JULIO CORTEZ AP ?? Members of the production crew inspect plexiglass that will ser ve as a barrier to prevent the spread of COVID-19 as preparatio­ns take place for the vice presidenti­al debate at the University of Utah.
JULIO CORTEZ AP Members of the production crew inspect plexiglass that will ser ve as a barrier to prevent the spread of COVID-19 as preparatio­ns take place for the vice presidenti­al debate at the University of Utah.

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