San Diego Union-Tribune

BIDEN, TRUMP CLASH OVER DEBATE

Format, timing of their remaining encounters in doubt due to COVID

- BY CHELSEA JANES & JOSH DAWSEY

WASHINGTON

President Donald Trump pulled out of next week’s second presidenti­al debate on Thursday after organizers said it would be held virtually “to protect the health and safety of all involved” given his coronaviru­s diagnosis — only to have his campaign request hours later that the event go on as originally planned.

The dispute started with a decision by the nonpartisa­n Commission on Presidenti­al Debates to try to protect the participan­ts, moderator and guests who would have attended the Oct. 15 event. In response, Trump announced he was “not going to waste my time in a virtual debate.”

“That’s not what debating is all about — you sit behind the computer and do a debate, it’s ridiculous,” he said on Fox Business in his first interview since announcing one week ago that he had tested positive for the coronaviru­s. “And then they cut you off whenever they want.”

In a statement a few hours later, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien said the second debate should be pushed back to Oct. 22,

the planned date of the third debate, and that another debate should be held on Oct. 29, five days before the election.

Joe Biden’s deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfiel­d, said Biden agreed to the Oct. 22 session but turned down the idea of a later meeting. She said that once Trump canceled, Biden scheduled a solo town hall on Oct. 15; ABC News later said it was hosting the event.

Late Thursday, Stepien took another position, demanding that the Oct. 15 debate take place as originally planned, citing a new report by White House physician Dr. Sean Conley that anticipate­d Trump would be cleared for public events as soon as this weekend.

But Frank Fahrenkopf Jr., the head of the debate organizing commission, said Trump’s initial decision to withdraw might have made the demand moot. Fahrenkopf said he had spoken to Biden campaign officials and they appeared committed to their replacemen­t event.

“Once they said no, Biden scheduled something else,” he said.

He said the Oct. 15 debate would only occur if both Biden’s team and the Cleveland Clinic, which is handling safety protocols for the debates, signed off on it.

Fahrenkopf added that there would be no debate after the last scheduled one on Oct. 22, despite the Trump campaign’s demands. “Nashville on the 22nd is the last debate,” he said.

The daylong battle centered on plans for the highest-profile events remaining in the general election campaign.

With less than four weeks to go before Election Day, Trump remains cloistered in the White House, where on Thursday aides again declined to clarify details of his illness, including when he last registered as negative, a time element necessary to chart the likelihood of him spreading it.

Plans for the fall gatherings were upended early last Friday, when Trump announced via Twitter that he had tested positive for the coronaviru­s. That came a little more than two days after the first presidenti­al debate.

Biden has since undergone testing for the coronaviru­s, out of concern that the president might have been contagious during the event. Biden’s campaign said he remained negative in tests for the virus, most recently Thursday morning.

Soon after returning to the White House on Monday after four days at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, Trump announced that he would attend next week’s debate.

Yet a person involved in the debate commission’s discussion­s said there was trepidatio­n from staff members, and others who produce the debate, about being near Trump and his team so soon after his diagnosis and as additional members of his White House staff and other allies continue to test positive for the virus.

Concerns also rose because the president’s entourage at the first debate, in Cleveland, had violated rules requiring all parties inside the debate hall to wear masks, removing theirs even as the Biden team wore facial coverings.

On Wednesday night, with the same mask mandate in effect, Vice President Mike Pence’s wife, Karen, walked onto the stage after her husband’s debate with Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., ended, hugged him and turned to wave at the audience, maskless.

The changes for the next debate were announced nine hours later.

“In order to protect the health and safety of all involved with the second presidenti­al debate ... the second presidenti­al debate will take the form of a town meeting, in which the candidates would participat­e from separate remote locations,” the commission said.

After Trump pulled out, his campaign manager Stepien criticized the debate organizers, calling the virtual format “a sad excuse to bail out Joe Biden” and saying the president will “hold a rally instead” on Oct. 15.

“For the swamp creatures at the Presidenti­al Debate Commission to now rush to Joe (Biden’s) defense by unilateral­ly canceling an in-person debate is pathetic. That’s not what debates are about or how they’re done,” Stepien said in a statement. He has been in isolation due to his own coronaviru­s diagnosis.

“Here are the facts: President Trump will have posted multiple negative tests before the debate, so there is no need for this unilateral declaratio­n,” he said.

Stepien then made his alternativ­e pitch for an Oct. 22 debate and another on Oct. 29. “Americans deserve to hear directly from both presidenti­al candidates on these dates,” Stepien said.

Bedingfiel­d dismissed that proposal outright, noting that the campaign agreed to the original dates in June.

“Trump chose today to pull out of the October 15th debate,” she said in a statement. “Trump’s erratic behavior does not allow him to rewrite the calendar, and pick new dates of his choosing.”

Biden told reporters in Phoenix, where he traveled Thursday for campaign events, that Trump’s refusal to take part in the virtual debate was “not surprising.”

“Look, we agreed to three debates back in the summer,” he said. “We set the dates. I’m sticking with the dates, I’m showing up. I’ll be there. And in fact, if he shows up, fine. If he doesn’t, fine.”

Fahrenkopf said both campaigns were given five minutes’ notice before the announceme­nt that the Oct. 15 debate would be virtual. The campaigns were not asked to consent to the decision, he said.

He said the commission had evaluated the safety implicatio­ns of an Oct. 15 debate with the Cleveland Clinic in light of the diagnosis of the president and others, and decided that it would be safest hold to it virtually.

“There is no requiremen­t that any presidenti­al candidate debate,” he said. “It is up to the candidate to decide whether or not he or she wants to debate.”

He added: “It has to be safety first.”

The Republican National Committee on Thursday afternoon targeted debate commission members, sending out a statement critical of them individual­ly.

Since arriving back at the White House, Trump, 74, has insisted that his condition has improved, and said Thursday that he does not think he is contagious. He has not supplied results of any tests confirming that contention, nor have his doctors in the limited informatio­n they have released.

But health officials have suggested that the president could be contagious through Oct. 15, which had raised questions about the safety not only of Biden, 77, but also the moderator and questioner­s.

Presidenti­al debates have mostly been held in person, but it’s not unpreceden­ted for candidates to speak from separate locations.

In 1960, Richard Nixon spoke from a TV studio in Los Angeles while John F. Kennedy appeared from another in New York for their third debate.

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