San Francisco Chronicle

A cyber quest for ways to understand the other side

- By Carolyn Said

“Have you experience­d being the target of intoleranc­e? What causes you to be intolerant?”

Sitting in his book-filled Berkeley living room, Lewis Brown Griggs chewed over those questions and others with six other people via the Zoom conferenci­ng app last month on, appropriat­ely enough, the Internatio­nal Day for Tolerance.

A Mormon mother of five said others sometimes assume she supports polygamy and hates gay people. Three people of color said they were all too used to being judged by their race.

Ranging in age from early 20s to early 70s, and hailing from Colorado, Virginia, Utah, Maryland and California, the group was brought together by Mismatch.org, a site that aims to “mismatch” people who are politicall­y and geographic­ally diverse for group chats with others of varying viewpoints. It’s like a non-romantic dating service for civil discourse.

“Our nation has so many problems with division,” said John Gable, Mismatch cofounder, who is also CEO and founder of AllSides, a website that tries to provide balanced news by showing three different perspectiv­es on current stories. “We need to learn how to talk to people who are different than we are, how to listen to them and understand them as people.”

In an increasing­ly polarized country, Mismatch aims to help people across the political spectrum find common ground via structured conversati­ons on topics like immigratio­n, tax reform and climate change. Mismatch grew out of Living Room Conversati­ons, another transparti­san project that brings together folks of varying views to engage in discourse. But while Living Room Conversati­ons hosts in-person groups — hence its name — Mismatch casts a wider net by seeking people nationwide to meet up via videoconfe­rencing.

“I live in Berkeley, and gathering a bunch of conservati­ves here isn’t an easy thing to do,” said Joan Blades, co-founder of both Mismatch and Living Room Conversati­ons, and before that of the progressiv­e powerhouse MoveOn.org. “Mismatch is a great way to get more diversity in the room.” (The downside of videoconfe­rencing: no snacks.)

Perhaps unsurprisi­ngly, Mismatch groups still tend to skew blue, organizers admit. Griggs, for instance, is a registered Republican, but he works as a diversity trainer and describes himself as a “never Trumper” who leans left on social issues. He relishes encounteri­ng different perspectiv­es.

“Look at the gift of meeting people you’ve never met, the gift of feeling seen,” he said after the hour-plus conversati­on on tolerance ended.

Participan­ts are self-selecting, so by their nature they are folks who are open-minded.

“Those that love Trump are less likely to show up,” Blades said.

Defining people as either left or right is too simplistic, she said.

“This is about having more shades of gray. If you go into a conversati­on with true curiosity, then your world becomes a little bit bigger.”

Anat Shenker-Osorio, a communicat­ions consultant and expert in applied cognitive linguistic­s who is not affiliated with Mismatch, said her research showed that curiosity is a trait of people who evolved their political viewpoints, such as conservati­ve white women who became progressiv­e, and apolitical women of color who became activists.

“Encouragin­g and rewarding open-mindedness generally influences people toward greater respect for things like equality, freedom and shared prosperity,” she wrote in an email. “I do see a value in people holding conversati­ons with others who do not share their viewpoint.”

However, she said, she’s skeptical if the “both sides” approach means giving credence to viewpoints such as racism.

“Tacitly comparing, say, a white supremacis­t and a Black Lives Matter advocate is beyond a false equivalenc­y — it’s an insult,” she wrote. “The former stands for subjugatio­n of others and the latter fights for recognitio­n and respect.”

Gable said Mismatch doesn’t aim to have people persuade each other that their views are valid.

“It is about understand­ing each other as humans,” he said. “We may or may not find common ground, but we always find common humanity.”

Mismatch asks participan­ts to abide by some simple rules.

“What we learned in kindergart­en,” take turns, be respectful, own your part of the conversati­on,” as Blades described it.

Each conversati­on centers on an issue such as criminal justice reform, with questions provided by Mismatch and Living Room Conversati­ons to help focus the discourse.

“It’s super simple, which is why it’s so reproducib­le and doesn’t require a facilitato­r,” Blades said.

Participan­ts start by introducin­g themselves — who they are, where they come from and what drew them to the topic — and then dive into increasing­ly deeper questions. They finish by sharing one thing they got out of the discussion.

Mismatch, which has raised about $750,000 in donations so far, started two years ago focusing on students, but now is expanding to all ages, something its website will soon reflect. More than 10,000 people have participat­ed in Living Room Conversati­ons, and some 1,000 have tried the Mismatch video component, Gable said. Organizers hope to reach 1 million participan­ts by the end of 2019, in part through partnershi­ps with groups like AllSides and ProCon.org, faith communitie­s and advocacy organizati­ons.

“The internet is becoming so one-sided that when it comes to political and controvers­ial issues, we have less access to different points of view today than 20 or 30 years ago,” Gable said.

Can something as simple as structured conversati­ons among disparate people really make a difference? Blades and Gable both think so.

“Overall, our biggest goal is to improve democracy— democratic society and governance,” Gable said.

Blades, who helped turn MoveOn into a behemoth that mobilizes millions of people, has similar hopes for Mismatch and Living Room Conversati­ons.

“I think this movement is getting ready to take off,” she said. “I learned from MoveOn how to do things at scale. Mismatch is one way to scale Living Room Conversati­ons.”

The alternativ­e, as she sees it, is grim.

“If we determine that not talking to each other is the best way to keep the peace, that has some really dangerous implicatio­ns,” Blades said.

 ?? Jessica Christian / The Chronicle ?? Lewis Brown Griggs moderates Living Room Conversati­ons, a video conference call with people from across the country with various political views, while at his home in Berkeley.
Jessica Christian / The Chronicle Lewis Brown Griggs moderates Living Room Conversati­ons, a video conference call with people from across the country with various political views, while at his home in Berkeley.

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