San Francisco Chronicle

‘Ladies and gentlemen’ doesn’t please everyone

- By Judith Martin, Nicholas Ivor Martin and Jacobina Martin Send questions to Miss Manners’ website: www.missmanner­s.com; to her email address: dearmiss manners@gmail.com; or through postal mail: Miss Manners, Universal Uclick, 1130 Walnut St., Kansas City

Dear Miss Manners: When I was teaching a graduate course in 1978 and addressed the class with, “Good evening, ladies and gentlemen,” a female student immediatel­y stood and announced: “We females are all ‘women’; however, not all of us are ‘ladies.’ ”

I stood corrected and told her that I understood; from then until now, so many years later, I have referred to females as “women” and not “ladies.”

So my question is: Do we say “ladies and gentlemen” or “men and women”?

Gentle Reader:

Other categories have been recognized since 1978, so you should be saying, “Good evening, class.”

But your question remains. “Ladies” and “gentlemen” imply that those so designated are well behaved. Miss Manners has been using those terms in the hope of encouragin­g them to be so. But she admits that there is a social tinge to the terms, which are at best quaint in nonsocial situations, and at worst patronizin­g and exclusiona­ry.

This is especially true when, as is all too common, the females are called “ladies” while the males are called “men,” which seems to establish a difference in the seriousnes­s of their presence. That is probably the basis of your student’s objection.

Still, the common way of addressing an audience, “ladies and gentlemen,” is more graceful than “men and women” — although alternativ­e convention­s will eventually surface. It is always possible to say, “Good morning, everyone.”

Dear Miss Manners:

Have the rules changed for sending condolence notes?

When my parents, in-laws and other close family members passed away in years past, I sent handwritte­n notes to everyone who brought food, sent flowers or made a memorial donation, but I did not send notes to those who came to the visitation or sent a card or note.

With COVID, there were no funerals or visitation­s, so I sent personal notes to the bereaved, sometimes in lieu of a donation and sometimes in addition. In almost every case, I got a note back, thanking me for my note.

In the future, do I need to send a note if I receive a note, or is it simply that so few people send notes these days that the bereaved feel compelled to thank me for writing?

Gentle Reader: Has “note” come to replace “letter,” the way people no longer speak of “mothers” but only of “moms”?

If you mean simply taking note of a death — such as the horrible habit of attaching a “like” to the news — it does not require a response. But letters of condolence, expressing sympathy with appreciati­on of the deceased, have always had to be answered. To those who consider it a burden on the bereaved, Miss Manners points out that it is a courtesy performed on behalf of those they lost, as well as encouragem­ent for continued kindness to the grieving.

Dear Miss Manners: When did women lose the right to say, “Unhand me, you cad”? To be clear, I am not blaming the victims of groping or assault. I just want to know: What changed?

Our grandmothe­rs would not have stood for the gaslightin­g attempted by today’s powerful and entitled men. Now it seems that the price of employment and advancemen­t is being fondled. What’s changed?

Gentle Reader: Did those cads have any power over your livelihood? Were those grandmothe­rs the employees or subordinat­es of their molesters?

Some who were did, neverthele­ss, fight back openly. When the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a student, her reaction to an offending professor was a loud “How dare you?” That is still a useful phrase, and Miss Manners does not consider that its old-fashioned sound makes it in any way hopeless.

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