Santa Fe New Mexican

Giuliani was in talks to be paid by Ukraine’s top prosecutor

- By Rosalind S. Helderman, Tom Hamburger and Matt Zapotosky

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani negotiated this year to represent Ukraine’s top prosecutor for at least $200,000 during the same months Giuliani was working with the prosecutor to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden, according to people familiar with the discussion­s.

The people said Giuliani began negotiatio­ns with Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Yuri Lutsenko, about a possible agreement in February. In the agreement, Giuliani’s company would receive payment to represent Lutsenko as the Ukrainian sought to recover assets he believed had been stolen from the government in Kyiv, those familiar with the discussion­s said.

The talks occurred as Giuliani met with Lutsenko in New York in January and then in Warsaw,

Poland, in February while he was also gathering informatio­n from Lutsenko on two topics Giuliani believed could prove useful to Trump: the involvemen­t of Biden and his son Hunter Biden in Ukraine, and allegation­s that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 election.

Trump ultimately pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to open investigat­ions into the two issues during a July 25 phone call between the two leaders, a call that sparked a whistleblo­wer complaint and the congressio­nal impeachmen­t inquiry.

A person familiar with the negotiatio­ns described contracts drafted this year in which Giuliani would have worked for Lutsenko or separately, the Ukrainian Ministry of Justice.

For Lutsenko, the agreement would have provided a pipeline to Trump’s lawyer and, through him, potentiall­y to other top U.S. officials. For Giuliani, the agreements would have been a way to accrue financial benefit from a person who was also providing him politicall­y damaging informatio­n that could help another client, Trump.

Giuliani has said he doesn’t charge Trump for legal services. Trump directed U.S. diplomats to work with Giuliani on Ukraine issues.

The agreements were never executed, and there is no indication that Giuliani was ultimately paid by Lutsenko or other Ukrainian

officials. But the negotiatio­ns proceeded far enough that legal agreements were drafted under which Giuliani’s company would have received more than $200,000 to work for the Ukrainians, people familiar with the agreements said.

Some versions of the agreements envisioned Washington husband-and-wife lawyers Victoria Toensing and Joe diGenova also playing a role and receiving payment, people familiar with the matter said.

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