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Why presidenti­al pardons cut 2 ways

Recipients no longer free to refuse to testify

- By David G. Savage Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s granting of a full pardon to former Sheriff Joe Arpaio was seen by many legal experts as a sign of what may come in the special counsel’s inquiry into Russia’s meddling in last year’s presidenti­al race and possible collusion with the Trump campaign.

Trump has insisted the investigat­ion led by former FBI Director Robert Mueller is a “witch hunt” and should be shut down, the sooner the better.

Some predict that the president will use his power to pardon anyone at any time for nearly any reason to make the investigat­ion moot.

“Kim Jong Un was not the only leader testing his weapons” last week, said Bill Yeomans, a veteran Justice Department lawyer now working with the liberal Alliance for Justice, referring to the North Korean leader’s missile launch a day after Trump pardoned Arpaio, the former sheriff of Maricopa County in Arizona.

“Trump launched a warning pardon that announced the weaponizat­ion of the pardon power,” Yeomans said.

The Trump insiders who might benefit include Jared Kushner, Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn and anyone else targeted by Mueller.

Former White House Counsel Bob Bauer agreed that the Arpaio pardon looked like “a test run for shutting down the investigat­ion.”

But a presidenti­al pardon, sometimes described as a get-out-of-jail-free card, also comes with a lesser-known tradeoff: Those receiving them are often no longer free to refuse to testify.

So long as they face an indictment or fear of federal charges, defendants or targets of an investigat­ion may invoke their Fifth Amendment right against self-incriminat­ion. The Constituti­on says no one “shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.”

But when charges or potential charges are wiped away by a presidenti­al decree, so too is the right to refuse to testify before a grand jury or before Congress about what they know.

“As the Supreme Court put it in 1895, ‘If the witness has already received a pardon, he cannot longer set up his privilege, since he stands with respect to the offense as if it had never been committed,’ ” said University of Texas law professor Steve Vladeck.

“Of course, that only works for federal offenses,” Vladeck said. “The president can’t pardon offenses against state law, and so theoretica­lly, someone like Flynn or Manafort could still argue that they have a Fifth Amendment right based upon potential state law crimes. That would, no doubt, provoke some pretty major litigation.”

Still, the conflict between the president’s pardon power and a defendant’s right to remain silent could complicate any White House effort to thwart the inquiry.

Moreover, Trump could build a case of obstructio­n of justice against himself if he pardoned close associates who were under investigat­ion.

And the president could even unwittingl­y help Mueller’s team build a case against him.

Freed from threat of prosecutio­n and forced to testify, Trump’s associates would face pressure to disclose everything they know, which could include damaging informatio­n about the president.

This is “difficult to game out,” said Peter Zeidenberg, a Washington lawyer and former federal prosecutor. “Yes, witnesses who have been pardoned would lose their Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incriminat­ion and could therefore be forced to testify in the grand jury.

“If they lied, they would be subject to new charges of perjury or obstructio­n of justice. If they refused to testify, despite being granted immunity, they could be held in contempt. Of course, if that were to occur, Trump could just pardon them again.”

“The bottom line is that if Trump is hell-bent on stymying this investigat­ion by handing out pardons, he probably could do it,” Zeidenberg said. “Of course he would then potentiall­y be exposing himself to impeachmen­t for obstructin­g the investigat­ion into his own conduct.”

Others said the president’s willingnes­s to use the pardon power could be enough to prevent his associates from cooperatin­g with prosecutor­s.

Rep. Adam Schiff, DCalif.,, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligen­ce Committee, tweeted that Trump’s pardon of Arpaio “sends (a) message to witnesses in Russia investigat­ion to keep quiet, stay loyal & get pardon.”

The timing of pardons could be a critical factor.

“To be most effective, pardons should come late in the process,” Yeomans said. For the defendant, “each lie to a federal investigat­or, grand jury or congressio­nal committee is a new crime.”

A presidenti­al pardon for past offenses does not entitle anyone to break the law in the future.

But Trump is not known for patience. He was not willing to wait months or years while Arpaio appealed his conviction for criminal contempt.

“He may be unable to control himself if it appears that indictment­s are imminent, particular­ly if they involve family,” Yeomans said. “It is possible that he might try to act earlier in the process in the hope of impeding the investigat­ion.”

The scope of any pardon may also be important.

If Trump granted a sweeping pardon that covered all possible federal crimes, the recipient would have a harder time trying to invoke his or her Fifth Amendment rights than if Trump issued a narrower one, for a specific crime or indictment.

A narrow or limited pardon may enable individual­s to still refuse to testify by citing fear of other potential crimes that were not covered.

Trump’s ultimate pardon power may rest with a question the nation has not yet confronted: Can a president pardon himself or herself?

Legal experts are divided, and the courts have not ruled.

But the Constituti­on makes it clear that if a president is guilty of criminal conduct, the proper remedy is to seek his removal from office through impeachmen­t.

 ?? MARY ALTAFFER/AP 2016 ?? President Trump’s pardon of Joe Arpaio, left, looked like “a test run” for stopping the Russia probe, one legal expert says.
MARY ALTAFFER/AP 2016 President Trump’s pardon of Joe Arpaio, left, looked like “a test run” for stopping the Russia probe, one legal expert says.

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