Carrier factory union chief stands ground against Trump

Steelworkers leader disputes jobs saved in Indianapolis.

INDIANAPOLIS — A local union president slammed by Donald Trump on Twitter stood his ground Thursday, maintaining the president-elect gave false hope to hundreds of workers by inflating the number of jobs being saved at a Carrier Corp. factory in Indianapolis.

United Steelworkers Local 1999 President Chuck Jones, the leader of the union for a few thousand workers at the Carrier factory and 11 other plants, spent much of the day doing television interviews after Trump called him out by name Wednesday night.

Trump tweeted that Jones “has done a terrible job representing workers,” taking issue with accusations by Jones this week that Trump had lied to workers and put on a “dog-and-pony show” at the Carrier factory last week by taking credit for keeping 1,100 jobs from being outsourced to Mexico.

Jones on Thursday called Trump’s reaction “amusing” and said he wasn’t backing off “one iota.”

“Give the guy credit — he’s got some spunk,” Jones said. “Am I upset, worried, scared or anything? No. Does it faze me? No.”

Trump was defending a deal that he and Vice President-elect Mike Pence — governor of Indiana — celebrated during a Dec. 1 visit to Carrier’s Indianapolis factory. As he toured the plant, Trump declared it was only the first of many business victories to come.

But Jones said the number of Carrier jobs actually saved is about 800, while some 550 jobs will still be lost to Mexico.

He said he sat in the third row of the crowd as Trump announced the deal and was “disgusted” by his use of the 1,100 jobs figure because it included some 250 headquarters and engineering staff positions that the company had always said would remain in Indianapolis.

Jones said that gave false hope to employees, even though “I am very grateful, and I’ve said it numerous times, for him getting involved and saving 800 people’s livelihood.”

Indiana officials said Dec. 1 the deal involved “preserving 1,069 high-wage jobs” as Carrier kept furnace manufacturing at the plant and received $7 million in tax incentives over 10 years.

Pence has continued to cite the higher figure, telling ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday that “This was great news for over 1,000 families in Indiana who were going to see those jobs south of the border.”

In a second tweet Wednesday night, Trump said: “If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana.”

But Pence said company executives told him soon after their February closing announcement not to “even bother” coming up with a state incentive offer to reverse the decision.

Jones said Carrier negotiators suggested the union workers would have to accept pay below the U.S. minimum wage to match the savings the company expected from a move to Mexico.

“We made every attempt in the world to keep these jobs here and it didn’t work,” he said.

Kate Bronfenbrenner, director of labor education research at Cornell University, said she didn’t know of any similar high-level personal spat involving a union leader since President Ronald Reagan’s 1980s standoff with the air traffic controllers union.

“One of the things that the U.S. is known for is that you can criticize the president and nothing happens to you,” she said. “It’s OK to criticize the president and Trump is making clear that it’s not OK.”

Jones said that soon after Trump’s tweets went out, he started getting harassing phone calls.

“People want to say, ‘Hey, I know what kind of car you drive. I know you’ve got kids. I know where you live,’ “he said. “I ain’t worried about that.”

But defending his stance against the president-elect was taking something of a toll on Jones, who said: “I’m about talked out.”

United Steelworkers Local 1999 Chuck Jones said he has received harassing phone calls over his dispute with President-elect Donald Trump.