The Columbus Dispatch

KASICH

- Drowland @dispatch.com @darreldrow­land

At a sold-out Columbus Metropolit­an Club luncheon Wednesday, the Ohio GOP governor told interviewe­r Bret Stephens he still doesn’t know what he’ll be doing in the 2020 presidenti­al election.

“I am trying as best I can to keep a political organizati­on together so I can keep a voice,” Kasich said to The New York Times columnist.

Does he envision his future as part of the Republican Party? Stephens wanted to know.

“I would like to think so, but I don’t know,” Kasich replied. “I don’t know if my party can come out of its stupor.”

Earlier this week, word broke that Kasich is returning to New Hampshire this fall for an event — headlined by Trump four years earlier — about 15 months ahead of the Granite State’s firstin-the-nation primary.

Kasich finished a clear but distant second New York Times columnist Bret Stephens interviews Ohio Gov. John Kasich at the Columbus Metropolit­an Club on Wednesday.

to Trump in that contest in 2016. And although he proved to be the last man standing against the future president, the media attention and money never materializ­ed for a frustrated Kasich the way he thought it would after his early

success topping 15 other GOP hopefuls.

When asked how Trump pulled it off, Kasich said, “Americans kind of felt like the system was not working” for them, and thus wanted to turn things upside down.“We don’t want anybody with any experience. We don’t want any politician­s, this is throw the whole thing out and let’s see what we can get. Plus, of course, Trump is a celebrity, and we love celebritie­s,” Kasich said.

“I think people felt ignored, sometimes desperate.”

But he added: “The worse thing to do is to win an election by selling your soul.”

Now, both parties cater to the extremes: “So if you’re a Republican you have to kowtow to Trump, if you’re a Democrat you have to kowtow to (Vermont Sen.) Bernie Sanders.”

The lack of people willing to speak up is “why the heck I’m

on television all the time. … Somebody has to speak about these things. Somebody has to talk about this.”

Even in the Ohio legislatur­e, the governor lamented, he cannot win approval of a bipartisan “red flag” proposal that, when a relative voices concern someone could be on the verge of harming themselves or others, would allow authoritie­s to confiscate guns temporaril­y until a court hearing.

And, in vintage Kasich style, part of his 34-minute talk turned spiritual.“We are forgetting that we are all made in the image of God. … But when we begin to lose the sense that we are going at some point to account to a higher power for what we’ve been given, and that selfishnes­s does not count for the good, and that we need to live a life bigger than ourselves, that’s what we’re losing.”And that led to the most emotional portion of the speech, in which he condemned the attitude that those fleeing dangers in their own country to come to the U.S. have “brought this on themselves.”

“Is that our country? That is not the country that I grew up (in) and the country that I believe must be preserved and the country that I love.

“And our country will be preserved. But don’t wait for somebody else: What the hell are you doing about this?”Then he spoke the line that earned him the loudest ovation of the day: “You’re the spark that creates the revolution that brings us back to where we want to be in this country.”

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