The Columbus Dispatch

Cohen secretly recorded Trump discussing payment

- By Matt Apuzzo, Maggie Haberman and Michael S. Schmidt

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, secretly recorded a conversati­on with Trump two months before the presidenti­al election in which they discussed payments to a former Playboy model who said she had an affair with Trump, according to lawyers and others familiar with the recording.

The FBI seized the recording this year during a raid on Cohen’s office. The Justice Department is investigat­ing Cohen’s involvemen­t in paying women to tamp down embarrassi­ng news stories about Trump before the 2016 election. Prosecutor­s want to know whether that violated federal campaign-finance laws, and any conversati­on with Trump about those payments would be of keen interest to them.

The recording’s existence appears to undercut the Trump campaign’s denial of any knowledge of payments to the model. And it further draws Trump into questions about tactics he and his associates used to keep aspects of his personal and business life a secret. It also highlights the potential legal and political danger that Cohen represents to Trump.

Once the keeper of many of Trump’s secrets, Cohen is now seen as increasing­ly willing to consider cooperatin­g with prosecutor­s.

The former model, Karen McDougal, says she began a nearly yearlong affair with Trump in 2006, shortly after Trump’s wife, Melania, gave birth to their son, Barron. McDougal sold her story for $150,000 to the National Enquirer, which was supportive of Trump, during the final months of the presidenti­al campaign, but the tabloid sat on the story, which kept it from becoming public.

Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, confirmed Friday that Trump had discussed payments to McDougal with Cohen in person on the recording. He said it was for less than two minutes and Trump did not know he was being recorded. Giuliani said the president had done nothing wrong, contending there was no indication on the tape that Trump knew McDougal Trump

before the conversati­on about the payment from the Enquirer’s parent company, American Media Inc., to McDougal.

Giuliani initially indicated the men discussed a payment from Trump to McDougal — separate from the Enquirer’s payment — to buy her story. Later, he said Trump and Cohen had actually discussed buying the rights to McDougal’s story from the Enquirer.

That payment was never made, Giuliani said, adding that Trump had told Cohen that if he were to make a payment related to McDougal, to write a check rather than send cash, so it could be properly documented.

Neither of Giuliani’s descriptio­ns of the conversati­ons explains why, when The Wall Street Journal revealed the existence of the AMI payment days before the election, Trump’s campaign spokeswoma­n, Hope Hicks, said, “We have no knowledge of any of this.” She said McDougal’s claim of an affair was “totally untrue.”

Cohen’s lawyers discovered the recording as part of their review of the seized materials and shared it with Trump’s lawyers, according to three people briefed on the matter.

Cohen rejected repeated requests for comment. Trump ignored shouted questions about it from reporters on the South Lawn of the White House on Friday afternoon.

David J. Pecker, the chairman of AMI, is a friend of Trump’s, and McDougal has accused Cohen of secretly taking part in the deal — an allegation that is now part of the FBI investigat­ion.

Because the tape showed Trump learning about the AMI payment, it actually helps Trump, Giuliani argued. “In the big scheme of things, it’s powerful exculpator­y evidence,” he said. A person close to Cohen disputed that claim but would not elaborate.

The recording is potential evidence in the campaignfi­nance investigat­ion but became tied up in a legal fight over what materials are protected by attorney-client privilege and thus off limits to prosecutor­s. It is not clear whether a federal judge has ruled on whether prosecutor­s can listen to the recording.

For a decade, Cohen served as one of Trump’s most-trusted fixers. He frequently taped conversati­ons, unbeknown to the people with whom he was speaking, which is legal in New York.

The wide-ranging search warrants served on Cohen this spring show that prosecutor­s are investigat­ing Cohen’s involvemen­t in payments to silence women about their relationsh­ips with Trump. In addition to McDougal’s arrangemen­t, prosecutor­s also sought evidence of payments to adult film star Stephanie Clifford, better known as Stormy Daniels.

Trump has denied knowing about those payments, though people familiar with the arrangemen­t have said he was aware of them.

Meanwhile, on a separate legal front, The Washington Post reported Friday that investigat­ors in special counsel Robert Mueller’s office have notified an attorney for Kristin Davis, who gained notoriety in the 2000s for running a highend prostituti­on ring, that they intend to question her as part of their probe of Russian interferen­ce in the 2016 presidenti­al election, Davis said Friday.

Davis, who is known as the “Manhattan Madam,” said she expects to be asked about her close friend, Roger Stone, a political operative and longtime confidant of Trump. It comes one week after prosecutor­s unveiled an indictment of 12 Russian intelligen­ce officers who allegedly conspired to hack Democrats during the campaign.

Stone was not named in the indictment, but messages cited by prosecutor­s match communicat­ions that he says he had with the Twitter persona Guccifer 2.0, who had claimed online to be a Romanian hacker. Prosecutor­s say Guccifer was actually a Twitter account operated by Russian military officers. Cohen

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