The Denver Post

Help demystify your relationsh­ip with money

- By Paul Sullivan

Jennifer Risher took a job in campus recruiting at Microsoft in 1991. She was 25 and given stock options worth several hundred thousand dollars. While working there, she met her husband, David, who had more stock options than she did. He later left to work for Amazon when it was still just selling books and got even more valuable options there.

In a few years, they were worth tens of millions of dollars and on their way to a comfortabl­e life. When Jennifer Risher looks back, was it luck or good decisions that helped her land that Microsoft job?

She poses that question and others in her book, “We Need to Talk: A Memoir About Wealth,” which was released earlier this month. It is an effort to prompt critical thinking about money and the status and power that are accrued from it.

“Wealth doesn’t look anything like what Hollywood is selling us,” she said. “I want to demystify wealth — an experience millions of people have but can’t talk about. There’s a normalcy to it when all your friends are similarly wealthy.”

In a country that is politicall­y, economical­ly and racially divided, Risher is asking her readers for a level of introspect­ion that can be difficult. The timing of her book could end up making her a target of anti- rich opprobrium, several wealth advisers told me.

But asking tough questions about money is an important exercise in underit

standing what we have, how we got it and how we feel about it.

Of course, the questions people typically pose about their wealth depend on their perspectiv­e. Risher, for example, grew up white and middle class, with a father who worked in the insurance business and a mother who worked at home when Risher and her brother were young, before resuming a career as a librarian.

That upbringing set Risher up to attend a private liberal arts college on the East Coast. It did not set up her to understand the tens of millions of dollars that she and her husband would acquire.

The approaches also differ among academics and advisers whose job it is to prompt families to be introspect­ive about their wealth. I reached out to several earlier this month to get their views on Risher’s questions and ask them what difficult ones they recommend people ask themselves.

Here are some questions that stood out.

Why is it OK for you to have money when other people don’t?

“I think that’s a really important question, particular­ly if you come into money fast,” said Bradley Klontz, associate professor of financial psychology at Creighton University. “If you don’t have a good answer to that, you’re going to sabotage yourself. You’re going to find ways to get rid of it.”

One thing to understand in answering that question is the risk of social comparison. No matter how much money you have, people are wired to compare themselves with others.

“It’s the deep subconscio­us terror that if we feel we’re going to be separated from our tribe, we’re going to die,” Klontz said.

It’s also something that can cause people with money to do less than they could, he said. His followon question is about what meaning a life of wealth should have.

“Our built- in purpose is to fight for our daily survival,” he said. “What is my purpose when that purpose is taken away?”

Without having intention, the wealthy tend to become disconnect­ed from the variety of people they knew before they became affluent.

“We’re here to make the world a better place, however we’re defining the world,” Klontz said. “It’s the responsibi­lity and the opportunit­y.”

What does living well mean to you?

What comes to mind when you hear this question says more about you than the question itself. It’s open- ended, which makes it great for discussion. But also forces people to be contemplat­ive.

“People can find surprises about themselves,” said Keith Whitaker, president of Wise Counsel Research, a consultanc­y on family wealth and philanthro­py. “Living well at one point meant success in my career. Or it meant being the best parent I could be. Or living well meant forgiving myself for mistakes or choices that turned out differentl­y.

“All these things don’t have anything to do with money, but money can be a means for happy choices or unhappy choices,” he added. “Knowing what living well means provides the North Star for those choices.”

Whitaker said that even the most introspect­ive people started by listing the superficia­l trappings of living well — homes, cars, boats, trips. But when people are allowed to sit with those answers, they often come up with more.

“It’s then that they realize, ‘ I don’t just want those things,’ ” he said. “‘ I want those things with good friends, or good relationsh­ips with my children and grandchild.’ Or ‘ I want those things with a sense of integrity.’ ”

What is the No. 1 job you want money to do?

For Michael Liersch, head of advice and growth strategies at Wells Fargo Private Bank, this question is the first of three related ones that he puts to every family he works with. ( The others: Do you feel that you have enough? Who should be involved in these conversati­ons?)

One thing Liersch tries to do in these conversati­ons is set the stage to get answers and ideas out there for family members to discuss. But he also tries to show people that answering these questions just once isn’t enough — particular­ly now, when views on wealth and privilege diverge greatly.

“Research would suggest the more intentiona­l we are with creating our guiding principles, the more likely we are to achieve them,” he said.

How does money connect you to other people?

This was a question Risher asked herself as she looked back on major life choices, including living in the same neighborho­od as fellow tech workers, sending her children to private school and sharing her wealth with family and friends.

“Even with people who have a lot of wealth, money isn’t connecting us,” she said. “When money is a barrier to those connection­s, that’s a problem. Our silence around money just makes it more powerful than us. We aren’t able to see reality.”

In her book, she wrote about a friend who later told her that Risher and her family hadn’t been invited to the circus because the friend was afraid they would want to sit in expensive front- row seats. Risher said she was shocked at first but then heartened that the friend could raise the issue with her.

“The fact that she trusted me enough to talk about money made me feel closer to her,” she said. “It also woke me up and showed me how out of touch I could be. If we talk more, it raises awareness of how broken our country is right now.”

 ?? Jim Wilson, © The New York Times Co. ?? “I want to demystify wealth — an experience millions of people have but can’t talk about,” author Jennifer Risher said.
Jim Wilson, © The New York Times Co. “I want to demystify wealth — an experience millions of people have but can’t talk about,” author Jennifer Risher said.

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