The Norwalk Hour

Inside collapse of Trump-DeSantis alliance

- By Isaac Arnsdorf, Josh Dawsey and Hannah Knowles

Backstage at a House Republican fundraiser in September 2018, President Donald Trump heard an urgent plea from his reelection campaign manager, Brad Parscale: They needed to talk about Ron DeSantis.

At the urging of DeSantis’s team, Parscale begged Trump to set aside a public tiff, according to people familiar with the conversati­on. DeSantis had infuriated Trump by contradict­ing his groundless claim that month that Democrats were inflating the death toll from Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico. Trump viewed the remark as a betrayal since his endorsemen­t had just helped DeSantis win the Republican primary for governor of Florida.

Parscale argued that if DeSantis lost his race that fall, it would make it harder for Trump to win the state in 2020. It’s not just for him, Parscale told Trump, it’s for you.

Trump agreed, and their tension stayed below the surface — until this past fall, in anticipati­on of the Florida governor preparing to challenge Trump for the 2024 presidenti­al nomination.

Now, their emerging rivalry is the latest twist on a yearslong public alliance that belied private misgivings and suspicions, according to interviews with more than a dozen people, many of whom were present for key decisions and conversati­ons, and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private interactio­ns. Despite basking in each other’s reflected glow, Trump and DeSantis had a relationsh­ip based on mutual advantage rather than genuine closeness — “an alliance of convenienc­e,” in the words of one person who knows both men.

“DeSantis has both used Trump and overtaken Trump in a remarkable way,” said David Jolly, a former GOP congressma­n from Florida who served with DeSantis and has been critical of both him and Trump.

DeSantis was skeptical of Trump before he won the presidency and made fun of Trump on multiple occasions, according to recordings obtained by The Washington Post and news reports from the time. Later, he was determined to get Trump’s blessing to boost his bid for governor.

Trump once liked how DeSantis defended him on TV and could advance his own political interests in Florida. These days, he sees DeSantis as an impediment to his bid to return to the White House. “He’s a young guy,” Trump has told advisers. “Why would he not wait?”

As some Republican­s loudly pin their hopes on DeSantis to overtake Trump as the party’s new standard-bearer, years of grudges and slights are coming to a head as a potentiall­y defining dynamic of the GOP primary. Polls show Trump and DeSantis as the clear early leaders, even as DeSantis has yet to enter the contest.

Both Trump and DeSantis declined to be interviewe­d for this story. Trump spokesman Steven Cheung said in a statement, “The 2024 campaign is focused on competing in every state and winning in dominating fashion.” He argued that no other Republican “can generate the type of enthusiasm and excitement like he can.”

A representa­tive for DeSantis declined to comment.

‘What’s going on?’

The first notable exchange between Trump and DeSantis came during the latter’s 2012 run for Congress. Longtime Trump associate Roger Stone drafted a tweet sent out by Trump that praised DeSantis as “very impressive,” according to a person with knowledge of the situation. Trump at that time was starting to raise his profile in Republican politics by hawking false conspiracy theories about President Barack Obama’s birth certificat­e. DeSantis’ Yale roommate, Nick Sinatra, had worked on a 2010 campaign with Stone and was responsibl­e for putting DeSantis on Stone’s radar.

By the time Trump launched his first run for president in 2015, DeSantis joined many other elected Republican­s in expressing skepticism of him. “A lot of people look at this with Donald Trump and they say ‘What’s going on?’ ” DeSantis said in a 2015 news conference. “I think a lot of Republican­s say, ‘Look, the guy’s not conservati­ve, he’s got all these liberal positions, weird positions, how can these people be supporting him?’ And I disagree with a lot of his positions.”

In speeches to local Republican groups that year, DeSantis joked about Trump refusing to name his favorite Bible verse and vowing to make Mexico pay for a wall on the southern border, according to recordings obtained by The Post. If Trump had created the world, DeSantis quipped in one recorded speech, “He’d have done it in half the time at half the cost, and he would have had Satan pay for it.”

As DeSantis launched a 2016 Senate bid, he downplayed the earlier Trump tweet, which didn’t used the word “endorse,” and said they’d never met. “He didn’t really endorse me,” DeSantis told Politico at the time. (DeSantis later bowed out of the race when Sen. Marco Rubio decided to run for reelection.)

DeSantis repeatedly dodged questions about committing to back Trump during the GOP presidenti­al primary. “You can either run your own race or you can make comments about other races,” he told the Wall Street Journal in March of 2016. One notable moment of dissent came when Trump singled out the Mexican ancestry of a judge overseeing a fraud case against his real estate training program. DeSantis took exception to Trump’s attack.

“Merely implying bias due to a judge’s ethnic heritage is wrong as a matter of principle and legally illegitima­te,” he told the Tampa Bay Times that summer.

But Trump’s surprise 2016 election win changed DeSantis’s political trajectory. He considered a bid for Florida attorney general, but saw a path to run for governor as an outsider against Adam Putnam, the establishm­ent-backed agricultur­e commission­er, according to people familiar with the matter. DeSantis “saw early on that the country was changing and particular­ly the Republican base was changing as to what they were looking for in a candidate,” one of the people said.

By early 2017, DeSantis was saying privately he wanted to run for governor and thought he could secure Trump’s endorsemen­t, according to people familiar with the discussion­s. Later that year, DeSantis rode on Air Force One to a Trump rally in Pensacola, Fla., and not long after that, the 45th president gave him a coveted show of public praise: DeSantis “would make a GREAT Governor of Florida,” he tweeted in December.

Trump had felt moved to send the tweet after seeing a clip of DeSantis on Fox News, according to people familiar with the situation. A couple of weeks later, DeSantis announced his candidacy on the same network, reminding viewers in the same breath that “the president tweeted support for me.”

DeSantis was still in a tough race and went to great lengths to secure an official endorsemen­t, according to three former Trump administra­tion officials. He lobbied White House officials. He called Trump’s friends and other power brokers. Ten minutes is all I need, he told one Trump ally, according to the person.

There was also an effort by DeSantis allies to show Trump statements by Putnam that were critical of him. “He even posted up in Palm Beach at one point,” said a former Trump administra­tion official who was lobbied for a meeting.

Trump has suggested publicly that DeSantis was crying and begging for the nod — “tears coming down from his eyes,” he recently told conservati­ve radio host Hugh Hewitt. That’s not what then-chief of staff John F. Kelly remembered. “I recollect him wanting his support,” Kelly said of DeSantis. “I don’t ever remember him crying asking the president for him to support him. That’s untrue.”

Trump’s staff largely opposed endorsing DeSantis, and even Vice President Mike Pence urged him to stay out, praising Putnam, who was a former colleague in the U.S. House, according to aides.

Eventually, DeSantis secured a meeting with Trump in Florida in 2018 without most of his key staff knowing, people familiar with the matter said. Trump liked the way DeSantis defended him on TV and made his endorsemen­t official in June, touting DeSantis’s Ivy League credential­s.

With Trump’s backing, DeSantis leapfrogge­d to a large lead in the polls. The campaign started airing ads touting the endorsemen­t and showing DeSantis encouragin­g his young daughter to “build the wall” with blocks, and reading his infant son “The Art of the Deal.” The endorsemen­t also unlocked access to major donors and star surrogates such as Donald Trump Jr.

The split

Before long, the tenuous bond between Trump and DeSantis broke. In late August, about a year after Hurricane Maria devastated Puerto Rico, an independen­t George Washington University study estimated the storm caused almost 3,000 deaths, far above the government’s official figure, 64. Trump dismissed the research as a political hit “done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible.”

That put DeSantis in a bind, one of his former aides recalled. His team did not want to directly say that Trump was wrong, the aide said, but also knew it was critical to show solidarity with the Puerto Rican community in a tight race.

The DeSantis campaign released a statement saying he stood with the Puerto Rican community and “doesn’t believe any loss of life has been inflated.” News reports of Trump’s displeasur­e panicked the DeSantis team, which enlisted Parscale to broker a rapprochem­ent. Trump’s top Florida operative from 2016, Susie Wiles, took the helm of DeSantis’ campaign for the final stretch, bringing their worlds closer together.

In the general election, DeSantis faced a new balancing act to manage his associatio­n with Trump. Sometimes, he presented their closeness as an advantage: “I’ll be able to walk in to the Oval Office to talk to the president about Florida’s needs, he’s going to listen to me,” he said at one event. Other times, he sought to assert independen­ce: “I’m my own man, I have a record on different things,” he said at another.

Democrats in Florida and nationally were on their back foot against DeSantis, having expected to face Putnam, said one person familiar with their strategy, noting that Democratic opposition research on DeSantis wasn’t fully developed when he won the GOP primary. Trump held two rallies in Florida to boost DeSantis in the final weeks, and he edged out Democrat Andrew Gillum by less than half a percentage point in a difficult midterm for Republican­s, due to a nationwide backlash against Trump.

The former DeSantis aide rejected any notion that Trump pushed DeSantis across the finish line as “totally ridiculous.” Trump probably made the race more difficult in the final stretch, the former aide added.

‘I made that guy’

After Trump left the White House, he and DeSantis only spoke occasional­ly.

Throughout 2021, Trump was skeptical to some advisers that DeSantis would actually run for president against him. Wiles, along with longtime Trump adviser Jason Miller, told Trump that DeSantis would take him on. “Would he really do that? It’s not very loyal,” Trump said in one meeting, according to a person who heard the comments. “I made that guy,” he has said privately.

On Trump’s political team, DeSantis is widely seen as the biggest threat. Trump advisers have begun to compile opposition research on DeSantis, and several people close to Trump said he wants to make DeSantis think about whether he wants to get into the race. They plan to paint him as aloof and cold. Trump has watched clips of DeSantis debating, particular­ly against Democrat Charlie Crist last fall, and has given advisers dim reviews of his skills onstage.

 ?? Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post ?? Ron DeSantis, then-Florida governor-elect, listens as President Donald Trump speaks during a meeting with new governors at the White House in 2018.
Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post Ron DeSantis, then-Florida governor-elect, listens as President Donald Trump speaks during a meeting with new governors at the White House in 2018.

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