The Oklahoman

Board retains VA chief

Plans continue to relocate Talihina center, also

- BY JUSTIN WINGERTER Staff Writer jwingerter@oklahoman.com

Faced with a highly critical state audit, low morale and calls for it to fire top officials at the Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs, the agency’s governing board stayed the course Tuesday, keeping its executive director and moving ahead with relocation of the Talihina Veterans Center.

In a marathon meeting that stretched to seven hours, the Veterans Commission heard from Executive Director Doug Elliott, compliance director Tina Williams and other top agency officials, who defended the job they’ve done while acknowledg­ing their decisions have been controvers­ial.

“You guys hired me to move this thing along and I think I’m doing it,”

Elliott told commission­ers, after acknowledg­ing that changes at the agency “have been fast and furious” as of late.

The nine-man commission responded with nodded heads and offered words of encouragem­ent for the embattled agency head. They hailed Elliott as a proactive reformer unafraid of controvers­y, shrugging off— and sometimes laughing off— a state audit that concluded Veterans Affairs’ leadership is toxic.

"What we charged Mr. Elliott with is cleaning up ODVA, making it a business ... some people are not going to like this change,” said Commission­er Lloyd Smithson.

The conversati­on grew contentiou­s when Elliott openly criticized the tactics of state auditors, who emphasized anonymous surveys and interviews in compiling their Aug. 1 report.

Auditor Gary Jones was in the back of the room during Elliott’s remarks and was clearly frustrated by criticisms of his agency.

When Elliott said, “No one was interviewe­d from central office,” Jones stood up.

“Let me correct that. That’s not true,” the auditor told commission­ers.

Elliott, raising his voice, asked, “Did you talk to me, Mr. Jones?”

Jones reiterated that his staff interviewe­d central office employees, in addition to past and present employees at the state’s seven veterans centers. “There actually was no bias” in the audit, he said.

In the hour before the meeting began, about 40 people gathered peacefully outside Veterans Affairs headquarte­rs, holding signs and making clear their opposition to the agency’s current leadership. Most made the trip from cities that are home to veterans centers: Norman, Lawton and Talihina.

“I’m very frustrated,” said Betty Rogers, whose husband, Tom, served in the Korean War and is now at the Norman Veterans Center. “We don’t have the on-site X-rays now. We need those services again.”

Mary Jane Argo, whose father-in-law is also at the Norman Veterans Center, says staff members there are friendly and helpful but she has disagreeme­nts with the decisions emerging from central office.

“They’ve taken away a lot of things. There isn’t as much help now,” she said.

The outsourcin­g of X-ray and lab work, medical services once offered in-house at the veterans centers, was a consistent point of contention during the meeting. Elliott praised the outsourcin­g efforts, telling commission­ers they have saved taxpayers millions of dollars each year.

“Having a lab at certain places I think would be beneficial,” said Commission­er Gary Secor, citing the Lawton-Fort Sill Veterans Center specifical­ly, where the outsourcin­g of lab work has slowed the rate at which veterans see results and created a backlog at Lawton medical facilities.

“In a business sense, it’s just not fiscally responsibl­e to do that,” responded Smithson.

“But the business we’re in,” Secor said, “is taking care of veterans.”

Secor consistent­ly pushed back against agency leaders. When compliance director Tina Williams described a policy change — medical directors no longer make sick calls, only nurses do — she said nurses became too accustomed to assigning doctors rather than handling matters themselves. Secor disagreed.

“Our nurses are spoiled,” Williams said. “I don’t know how else to put it. Our nurses forgot how to be nurses.”

“The nurses are swamped,” Secor told her, drawing grumbles of agreement from the small crowd of spectators. “The nurses are backed up.”

Several commission­ers asked about the impact of contractin­g part-time doctors rather than hiring doctors to work full time in the veterans centers. Commission­er Gaylord Thomas said he’s concerned Veterans Affairs centers are turning into nursing homes.

“We don’t want to go there. That’s the concern you hear from people out there, that we’re going backwards,” he said.

Elliott said contractin­g for doctors is “a stopgap” and that his agency would prefer doctors be at centers full time, but the state’s pay scale isn’t attractive enough. Taxpayers “would absolutely become unglued” if doctors were paid $300,000, he said.

Elliott said lab work previously cost Veterans Affairs $2.3 million per year but now, under privatizat­ion, costs $480,000 per year.

He called privatizat­ion “a very emotional issue” and said he understand­s opposition from some veterans and their families.

“But when I look at the overall deaths, I do not see an increase in deaths,” Elliott said.

Protesters before the meeting held signs that stated, “The audit says the truth” and “ODVA is a dictatorsh­ip” and “Make ODVA Great Again: Fire Elliott and Williams,” a reference to the executive director and compliance director. Those who had driven in the early morning from Talihina wore white T-shirts with “Save the Talihina Veterans Center” and a photo of the center on them.

The center is slated to close after Gov. Mary Fallin signed a bill this year allowing for closure. The Veterans Commission voted unanimousl­y Tuesday to continue ahead with the relocation of that center.

“While this relocation is wildly unpopular, it’s the right thing to do,” Elliott told commission­ers. Even if relocating the center cost him his job Tuesday, “it’s the right thing to do,” the director said.

John Duggan, who worked at the Veterans Affairs central office for 22 years before retiring last November, was one of those protesting outside that central office Tuesday morning. He served in the Vietnam War, was sickened by Agent Orange and expects to be at a veterans center in the next decade.

“There’s been some bumps in the road,” he said of the agency’s history, “but this is the low point.”

 ?? [PHOTOS BY DOUG HOKE, THE OKLAHOMAN] ?? Commission­ers and staff say the Pledge of Allegiance on Tuesday during the Oklahoma Veterans Commission meeting at the Vezey Veterans Complex in Oklahoma City.
[PHOTOS BY DOUG HOKE, THE OKLAHOMAN] Commission­ers and staff say the Pledge of Allegiance on Tuesday during the Oklahoma Veterans Commission meeting at the Vezey Veterans Complex in Oklahoma City.
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Betty Rogers, whose husband is at the VA center in Norman, protests outside before the Oklahoma Veterans Commission meeting at the Vezey Veterans Complex in Oklahoma City on Tuesday.
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