The Oklahoman

No visual cues in phone cases

- By Jessica Gresko and Mark Sherman The Associated Press

Because of pandemic the Supreme Court is holding arguments by phone for the first time in its 230year history

WASHINGTON — On the evening before he was to argue a case before the Supreme Court years ago, Jeffrey Fisher broke his glasses. That left the very nearsighte­d lawyer with an unappealin­g choice. He could wear contacts and clearly see the justices but not his notes, or skip the contacts and see only his notes.

It wasn't hard to decide. “I couldn't imagine doing argument without seeing t heir faces,” Fisher said.

He won't have a choice next month.

Because of the coronaviru­s pandemic the high court is, for the first time in its 230-year history, holding arguments by telephone. Beyond not being able to see the justices' nods, frowns and hand gestures, the teleconfer­ence arguments in 10 cases over six days present a range of challenges, attorneys said, but also opportunit­ies.

Roman Martinez, who will argue in a free speech case, said the lack of visual cues may change what sense is most important. “Maybe it will concentrat­e the mind on listening,” he said.

The unpreceden­ted decision to hold arguments by phone was an effort to help slow the spread of the virus. Most of the justices are at risk because of their age; six are over 65. And hearing arguments by phone allows them to decide significan­t cases by the court's traditiona­l summer break.

The attorneys arguing before the court include lawyers for the federal government and states as well as those in private practice. Only a few are women. Most have made multiple arguments and are familiar to the justices, although at least one lawyer is giving his first argument before the court. The Trump administra­tion's top Supreme Court lawyer, Solicitor General Noel Francisco, will argue twice.

The cases the justices are hearing include fights over subpoenas for President Donald Trump's financial records and cases about whether presidenti­al electors are required to cast their Electoral College ballots for the candidate who won their state.

Justices have long said that the written briefs lawyers submit are vastly more important to the cases' outcomes than what's said in court. But the arguments also help them resolve nagging issues and occasional­ly can change a justice's vote.

Beyond their importance to the justices, arguments in the soaring, columned courtroom can crackle with drama that would seem to be hard to replicate over the telephone.

Noah Purcell, who is arguing on behalf of Washington state in one of the presidenti­al elector cases, has one experience that makes him feel somewhat fortunate: A previous highprofil­e phone argument. In 2017 he argued by phone, and won, a challenge to Trump's travel ban before three appellate judges, although the Supreme Court later sided with the president.

This phone argument, with nine justices, presents different hurdles. Most of the justices have distinctiv­e voices, but several lawyers said they feared mixing up Justice Brett Kavanaugh and Justice Neil Gorsuch. Purcell said he will “probably just say `your honor'” to be safe. And arguing from his home isn't really an option because there are “too many risks of interrupti­on:” his children, ages 2, 5 and 7.

Purcell plans to go to his office, but because he's on the West Coast, his case will be heard at 7 a.m. PDT, making for an unusually early start to his day. It's tough to sleep on the night before a Supreme Court argument anyway, said Purcell, who is making his third argument before the high court.

Like other advocates, he's doing practice arguments by phone. Lawyers who already have done telephone arguments as the virus outbreak has forced courts around the country to move to phone or video hearings also have advice.

William Jay, who has argued Supreme Court cases both as a government lawyer and in private practice, said he took a friend's suggestion and spread a towel over his desk to reduce the noise of shuffling papers when he had a recent appellate argument by phone.

He stood for the entire argument, as he would in court, but he didn't put on a suit and tie. “I'm not going to tell you just how disheveled I might have been,” Jay said.

Being invisible to the justices has other advantages, too.

Ian Gershengor­n, who will be at his home in Bethesda, Maryland, to argue in an Indian lands case, said he will probably hear from colleagues by text before he wraps up his arguments. If he were arguing in court, they might instead pass him a yellow sticky. And Gershengor­n, who is making his 16th argument, said he won't memorize his opening as he usually does, because the justices won't be able to tell if he's looking at notes. Reading from a prepared script is frowned upon in the court's arguments guide for lawyers.

 ?? APPLEWHITE/ASSOCIATED PRESS FILE PHOTO] ?? Attorneys say the teleconfer­ence arguments in 10 Supreme Court cases over six days present a range of challenges. [J. SCOTT
APPLEWHITE/ASSOCIATED PRESS FILE PHOTO] Attorneys say the teleconfer­ence arguments in 10 Supreme Court cases over six days present a range of challenges. [J. SCOTT

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