The Oneida Daily Dispatch (Oneida, NY)

RESOLUTION TABLED

Officials delay vote related to ‘Thin Blue Line’ flag

- By Carly Stone cstone@oneidadisp­atch.com Reporter

The fate of the “Thin Blue Line” flag flying at the Madison County Sheriff’s Office was in the balance during a recent board of supervisor­s meeting.

Several residents have spoken out against the flag being flown and have requested it be taken down. Others have shown support. A responding statement from Chairman John Becker seemed to all but cement the flag on the pole for some time to come.

The resolution brought up at the Feb. 5 board meeting would authorize the flag to continue to be flown at the sheriff’s office “in support of law enforcemen­t.” The circumstan­ces that allowed the flag to be flown in the first place are not known.

The resolution also states that the Criminal Justice, Public Safety, and Emergency Communicat­ions and Government Operations Committees support continuing to fly said flag at the law enforcemen­t and public safety buildings.

Additional­ly, the resolution states that the board of supervisor­s stands by Becker’s previous statement, one released in response to the Hamilton Area Anti-racism Coalition’s (HAARC) written request that the flag be taken down.

The topic has been a controvers­ial one in Madison County, with many residents passionate­ly arguing their support for or against the flag for various reasons. Some of those in favor say that law enforce

“Taking down this flag at the county complex does not in any way signal that the board does not fully support our county law enforcemen­t profession­als. Your continued commitment is evident in your support for funding, training, and equipping the men and women who put their lives at risk daily for our collective safety.” — Resident Martha Moore

ment are to be respected, and the flag only represents that respect, nothing else; taking it down would be a snub against the men and women in blue who sacrifice their lives for the public’s safety.

Some of those against the flag flying say that the meaning of it has changed. The flag has become tainted with hate, racism, and ignorance, some say. Often, the flag is flown on the opposing side of the Black Lives Matter movement, some have argued, and recently, the flag was a prominent symbol among terrorists who stormed the U.S. Capital on Jan. 6.

A few residents submitted their opinions for publicatio­n in the Oneida Dispatch as a Letter to the Editor.

Additional­ly, as of Wednesday afternoon, 213 people participat­ed in a poll hosted by the Dispatch on the subject. According to that poll, 45.4% said the flag should be taken down, 51.7% said it should remain flying as is, and 2% said it should continue flying if it’s displayed in a different way. Only 1% said they didn’t have an opinion.

A few residents were prepared to argue their case at Tuesday’s board meeting, but the resolution was tabled, pushing it until a later date, likely next month, to be voted/debated on.

A few members of the public instead shared their thoughts during the public comment period.

Resident Martha Moore first identified the results of an online community petition whose signees support taking the flag down. Moore created the petition back in January. She also shared the results of the Dispatch’s poll available a few days ago.

“This data represents the fact that a large percentage of your constituen­ts believe that flying the thin blue line flag on county property is inappropri­ate,” she said. “Taking down this flag at the county complex does not in any way signal that the board does not fully support our county law enforcemen­t profession­als. Your continued commitment is evident in your support for funding, training, and equipping the men and women who put their lives at risk daily for our collective safety.”

“Respect for the police has never been the issue,” said John Bailey, member of HAARC. He respects Madison County law enforcemen­t, he said, and even respects other officials’ stance that the flag is a symbol of good. What he doesn’t respect is the unwillingn­ess on behalf of Becker and others to have an open conversati­on about the topic, he said.

There are multiple, legitimate points of view when it comes to this flag, he said, and for some, the meaning of the flag is more than about opinion; it’s about their feeling of safety in their own community.

“If we cannot and will not respect both sides, how can we work together to make our community a better and safe place for all its residents? How we change this divide is up to all of us,” he remarked.

Oneida resident, John Nichols, voiced his concerns in relation to the U.S. Flag Code, which he said the blue line flag violates. This is particular­ly an issue because it’s flown at a public, government building, he said.

“As members of the government, you need to set an example for others that you’re not only going to defend the constituti­on, but you’re going to support it. Not only does it mean supporting the blue lives, but it means supporting people who might be offended, and it also means supporting the code as written,” Nichols said.

Bryant Clark, a Methodist minister in Hamilton, suggested that respect and support for law enforcemen­t is not what’s at stake in this debate. “This is part of a bigger conversati­on that really, truthfully, has very little to do with this idea of blue lives mattering,” he remarked.

A new resident of Cazenovia, John O’neil, noted the gender, age, and “likely” economic diversity of the board, but “not necessaril­y racial diversity.”

This was something perhaps important to note as the controvers­y of the flag is largely race-based. This resident also suggested that the county’s response to HAARC’S request about the flag was disrespect­ful. “I don’t think that’s what we want to do. I think we want to stay open to the diversity of opinions in the county,” he said.

Board Member Matt Roberts, of Oneida, shared a statement he had put together after much research and review of the letters and emails he received from the public along with discussion­s he’s had with around a dozen Oneida constituen­ts, he said. He added that he tried to put logic, rather than emotion, into his statement, which was ultimately in favor of the thin blue line flag.

He said that opinion on the flag has been made to appear as fact, but the objective meaning of the flag should be the focus. “It’s really representa­tive of law enforcemen­t personnel, who on a daily basis are dedicated to preserving life and property even at the expense of giving their own life or lives of their brothers and sisters in blue by putting themselves in harm’s way,” he said.

There are other flags, similar to the blue line flag, that represent other public servant organizati­ons, like firefighte­rs and EMS, he noted.

A minority of the population who push radical right/ left ideals and promote violence should not have sway over something objective, like the blue line flag, he said. Common sense should prevail, he added.

During a Committee of the Whole meeting held just before the Board of Supervisor­s meeting, Board Members William Zupan, of Cazenovia, Eve Ann Shwartz, of Hamilton, and James Goldstein, of Lebanon, voiced varying levels of opposition to the county’s actions thus far regarding the flag. Particular­ly, the process leading the county to this point is something they felt could have been handled more appropriat­ely.

Board Member Rocco Diveronica, of Lenox, said there was a lot of turmoil stirred because of this flag, which he believes people have a right to fly privately, but on county property, he’s not so sure.

State Sen. Rachel May (D53) caught wind of the issue going on within her district and forwarded a letter to the Madison County Board of Supervisor­s, HAARC, and Madison County Democratic Committee.

May wrote, “My position is that the history of this flag is too complicate­d and confrontat­ional for it to be an appropriat­e symbol for a government office. An official flagpole is no place for political statements, in part because they may undermine public trust in public authority and law enforcemen­t, and also because they could open the door to legal challenge from any organizati­on that might demand that the County fly their flag.

“If the desire truly is to show support for law enforcemen­t in a positive and neutral way, it would be wholly appropriat­e to fly a flag with a specific symbol of the Madison County Sheriff’s Office.”

After referring to the recent attack on the U.S. Capitol, May remarked, “Had Chairman Becker said in his letter that Madison County needs to fly the flag to support law enforcemen­t in the aftermath of this heinous attack, his argument might be stronger.

“Instead, people and organizati­ons around the country that ostensibly support law enforcemen­t have been pretty much silent about the deadly mob attack, and about the clear double-standard that allowed this violent mob – that had killed a police officer - to disperse without even taking their names, when far more peaceful BLM protesters are routinely rounded up and arrested.”

She invited officials to reach out to her to open up a discussion.

Becker commented in response to May’s letter saying, “Madison County did not receive this letter directly, even though it was addressed to us, we received it from a reporter. We appreciate the Senator’s opinion and her offer to mediate the situation, however, we do not think that is necessary.

“As a State Senator, she has bigger issues such as the pandemic, an upcoming budget, and an investigat­ion into what happened at our nursing homes to focus her time and efforts. We can handle it here on a local level. The Board of Supervisor­s as they bring this resolution to a vote will take into considerat­ion the opinions of all of our constituen­ts and those of our law enforcemen­t officers.”

 ?? JOSHUA WAGNER - MEDIANEWS GROUP ?? A look at the flags outside of the Madison County Sheriff Criminal Division Building.
JOSHUA WAGNER - MEDIANEWS GROUP A look at the flags outside of the Madison County Sheriff Criminal Division Building.
 ?? FILE PHOTO ?? Madison County Supervisor Chairman John Becker speaks in 2019.
FILE PHOTO Madison County Supervisor Chairman John Becker speaks in 2019.
 ??  ?? A photo of the letter from Chairman John Becker addressing the Hamilton Area Antiracism Coalition’s request that the “Thin Blue Line” flag be taken down from county property
A photo of the letter from Chairman John Becker addressing the Hamilton Area Antiracism Coalition’s request that the “Thin Blue Line” flag be taken down from county property

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