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Justices seem skeptical of Trump’s claim of absolute immunity

- The Associated Press

WASHINGTON » The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday took up Donald Trump’s bid to avoid prosecutio­n over his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss to Democrat Joe Biden.

Some justices posed scenarios or expressed skepticism Thursday as arguments started.

Conservati­ve Justice Samuel Alito said he considered it “implausibl­e” that a president could legally order Navy SEALS to order the assassinat­ion of a political rival. That skepticism matters because the hypothetic­al is something the Trump team, which includes attorney D. John Sauer, has suggested could theoretica­lly be protected from prosecutio­n.

Conservati­ve Justice Amy Coney Barrett asked Sauer a question that cut to the heart of the case, reading aloud allegation­s from the indictment and asking him to respond whether Trump’s actions in each instance were private or official.

Trump’s attorneys concede that immunity does not extend to personal actions but instead protects official acts. Sauer said he believed most of the acts are unquestion­ably official.

Chief Justice John Roberts, who could be a key swing vote, struck a skeptical note about the idea of expunging from the indictment acts that are official rather than personal, saying such a move would render the case a “one-legged stool.”

Liberal Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said Sauer was asking for a change in the immunity law. She raised Richard Nixon’s pardon, asking, “I think that if everybody thought that presidents couldn’t be prosecuted, then what was that about?”

Liberal Justice Elena Kagan said the Founding Fathers did not insert an immunity clause for presidents into the Constituti­on — but, she said, “they knew how to.”

Trump’s lawyers argue that former presidents are entitled to absolute immunity for their official acts. Otherwise, they say, politicall­y motivated prosecutio­ns of former occupants of the Oval Office would become routine and presidents couldn’t function as the commander in chief if they had to worry about criminal charges.

Lower courts have rejected those arguments, including a unanimous threejudge panel on an appeals court in Washington. And even if the high court resounding­ly follows suit, the timing of its decision may be as important as the outcome.

That’s because Trump, the presumptiv­e 2024 Republican presidenti­al nominee, has been pushing to delay the trial until after the November election, and the later the justices issue their decision, the more likely he is to succeed.

The court typically issues its last opinions by the end of June, which is roughly four months before the election.

‘A rule for the ages’

The justices are keenly aware their decision on whether former commanders in chief have immunity will have huge implicatio­ns not just for this case, but also far beyond this prosecutio­n.

Justice Neil Gorsuch told special counsel team lawyer Michael Dreeben they are “writing a rule for the ages.”

Justice Brett Kavanaugh concurred, adding, “This case has huge implicatio­ns for the presidency, for the future of the presidency, for the future of the country.”

Dreeben is working hard throughout the arguments to make clear that a prosecutio­n in this case would not open the floodgates to other criminal charges against future ex-presidents.

In response to a question about drone strikes authorized by former President Barack Obama, Dreeben said the U.S. government already analyzed that fact pattern and concluded that there was “no risk of prosecutio­n for that course of activity.”

Dreeben ticked through the acts Trump is charged with, including a slate to elevate fake electors in battlegrou­nd states, that he said were undertaken in Trump’s status as a presidenti­al candidate and not a president.

Dreeben did, however, note that Trump’s interactio­ns with Justice Department officials in his administra­tion were perhaps protected acts.

Some metaphors

The justices also sneaked in a few fun metaphors Thursday. In conversati­on with Dreeben, Justice Samuel Alito brought up “the old saw about indicting a ham sandwich.” He was referring to the belief that indictment­s are easy to secure, and that they don’t necessaril­y indicate any likelihood of guilt.

Alito asked Dreeben whether he had come across a lot of cases in which a federal prosecutor wanted to indict a case and the grand jury refused. Dreeben said there are such cases, before Alito cut him off.

“Every once in a while there’s an eclipse, too,” Alito said, drawing some laughs in the courtroom.

Dreeben said the court has never before recognized absolute immunity for a former president. “Such presidenti­al immunity,” he said, “has no foundation in the Constituti­on.”

 ?? MARIAM ZUHAIB - THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ?? A demonstrat­or outside the Supreme Court on Thursday as the justices prepare to hear arguments over whether Donald Trump is immune from prosecutio­n in a case charging him with plotting to overturn the results of the 2020presid­ential election.
MARIAM ZUHAIB - THE ASSOCIATED PRESS A demonstrat­or outside the Supreme Court on Thursday as the justices prepare to hear arguments over whether Donald Trump is immune from prosecutio­n in a case charging him with plotting to overturn the results of the 2020presid­ential election.

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